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3verest
01.01.13, 13:06
Tere. Olen mänginud NL50 starsis heads uppi, kuid siiani olen rämedalt lihtsalt kotti saanud. Tahaks seda tüüpi mängu paremini tunda, aga internetis on materjali nt võrreldes full ringiga palju vähem. Oleks tänulik, kui keegi siit foorumist aitaks mind, lisaks siia mõne õppematerjali vms.
Kohutav, kui palju ma seal kaotand olen...

Näiteks mõni käsi:
Kõik need käed on mängitud ühe vastasega.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

BB ($14.02)
Hero (SB) ($34.85)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif
Hero bets $1, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1, BB calls $1

Turn: ($4) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, BB calls $2

River: ($8) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4.50, BB raises to $10.02 (All-In), Hero calls $5.52

Total pot: $28.04 | Rake: $0.50

Results:
Hero had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (two pair, Jacks and eights).
BB had 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (straight, Jack high).
Outcome: BB won $27.54





PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

BB ($21.70)
Hero (SB) ($35.37)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif
Hero bets $1, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1, BB calls $1

Turn: ($4) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($4) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (2 players)
BB bets $2, Hero raises to $5, BB raises to $8, Hero calls $3

Total pot: $20 | Rake: $0.50

Results:
Hero didn't show 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (nothing).
BB had 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (flush, Queen high).
Outcome: BB won $19.50



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

BB ($28.05)
Hero (SB) ($17.85)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif
Hero bets $1, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($3) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

River: ($8) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero calls $5

Total pot: $18 | Rake: $0.50

Results:
Hero didn't show Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (nothing).
BB had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (flush, Ace high).
Outcome: BB won $17.50




PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

SB ($32.30)
Hero (BB) ($16.85)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif
SB calls $0.25, Hero checks

Flop: ($1) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, SB calls $0.50

Turn: ($2) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1, SB calls $1

River: ($4) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2, SB raises to $6, Hero calls $4

Total pot: $16 | Rake: $0.50

Results:
SB had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (four of a kind, fives).
Hero didn't show 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (nothing).
Outcome: SB won $15.50


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

BB ($19.92)
Hero (SB) ($34.86)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif
Hero bets $1, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1, BB calls $1

Turn: ($4) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, BB calls $2

River: ($8) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (2 players)
BB bets $4, Hero calls $4

Total pot: $16 | Rake: $0.50

Results:
Hero didn't show 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (nothing).
BB had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (flush, Queen high).
Outcome: BB won $15.50



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

BB ($36.74)
Hero (SB) ($10.77)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif
Hero bets $1, BB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($3) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

Turn: ($6) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero calls $1

River: ($8) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Total pot: $14 | Rake: $0.50

Results:
Hero had 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (two pair, Kings and Queens).
BB had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (two pair, Kings and Queens).
Outcome: BB won $13.50

timz0333
01.01.13, 15:13
Võta rankalt coachi.

Kas koguaeg paned 1/2 pot c-bette?

3verest
01.01.13, 16:41
50% potist koguaeg jep.

totaldonk
01.01.13, 16:58
sa ei pea cbetima mingi standardi järgi eriti kui mängid fishide vastu.

3verest
01.01.13, 17:04
Mis sa mõtled selle all? Et ei pea koguaeg samapalju bettima nt?

Ja midagi nende käte kohta oskate kommenteerida?

Ghost0
01.01.13, 17:26
Käed tunduvad standard, eriti vigu ei ole sa teinud. Autoreload hoia peal ja mängi ALATI fullstackiga. Vastaseid võid valida alguses nii et stack oleks 50bb+ vms, kui asi selgemaks saab siis väiksemate vastu ka mängida.

GL.

timz0333
01.01.13, 17:28
Ühetgi readi pole aga mängiksin käed ise nii

1. c-bet 1.50, turnil vähemalt 2/3 ja riveril AI

2. ck back flop

3. fine

4. bet/f river (autorebuy table max)

5. Oleneb paljuski vastasest aga ilmselt sama mis esimene, riveris pole kindel.

6. Herol liiga haige stack, et kätt üldse kommenteerida.

rynno
01.01.13, 20:01
soovitan, kui avad miniga, siis cbeti 75% potist või rohkem .
1. shove ise river, J callab. 8sse potti 10 shoveda suht tavaline antud spotis.(oleks igal streedil nats rohkem pannud siis ei peakski overbet shovema)
3.fold turn
ülejäänu kohta pole eriti midagi öelda ( v.a see limped pot 556 flop ma checkin talle flopi, sest board on nii kuiv ja me lykkame kõik õhu välja ise välja bettides, pole väga oluline ka tho)

VisaHing
02.01.13, 00:03
No mängu alusta ikka 100bb-ga ja auto-reload peal. Praegu tundub, et mängid oma viimase rahaga nl50hu-d. Roll ikka on vastav?
Käsi ei hakka kommenteerima kuna pole pädev inimene. Betsize paika vast oleks põhiline.

udikaz
02.01.13, 01:50
pakun et need tal starsi short hu lauad

3verest
02.01.13, 10:05
Need on short stack lauad, kus max buy in on 25$

Kaitz20
02.01.13, 10:34
Tere!

Ma olen Starsi NL 25 short laudades mänginud ilmselt paartuhat kätt ja võitnud eeldatavalt 500$+
Kuna ma ei viici HEMi upgradeda siis mingit graafikut ma Sulle anda ei saa ning ma ei tea, kas on võimalik internetist enam tulemusi järgi vaadata.

Igatahes oleksin mänginud käsi järgnevalt:
1) bet turn 3$, shove river; kui paned pool potti turnis, siis võiksid riveris bettida 75%- peale seda oled shortstacki avstu pot committed, seega call on fine
2) fine. Ilmselt on tal flush, kuigi osad 3-betivad ka seal Tx, seega min-reraise call on ok.
3) ilmselt ok. River shove halvemad käed ei calli. By-in 50bb. VÕid vahepeal lasta ka 22-23$, kuid alla selle ei soovitaks.
4) ok. Ma ei eelda, et riveris Sind väga tihti üle tõstetakse, samas kuna see pole shove, siis b/c on ok. Vahepeal ta bluffib ning vahepeal split. Kui oleks shove, siis peaksid foldima (buy-in võiks olla jälle 50bb)
5) ok. Ma ilmselt oleks ka riveris veidi üle tõstnud, sest ta võib b/c viletsamate kätega, samas üldjuhul tal ei ole seal enamasti QJ või paremat.

Kokkuvõttes, kuna Sa postitasid siia üldjuhul ainult käsi, kus Sa kaotasid, siis on raske öelda, mis teeb Sind kaotavaks mängijaks. Kui viicid, siis saada pm, saame veidi täpsemalt arutada, kuidas saaksin aidata. Ma ise arvan, et näit kogu sessi käte ülevaatamine võiks anda kõige parema tulemuse

NL HU puhul on kõige tähtsam mängu tunnetus ja seda ei ole niiväga kerge õppida. Üldine soovitus on- ära mängija vastasega, kes tundub olevat Sinust parem või võrdsem (kui ta just ei ole tildis), sest üldjuhul jääd Sina (või mõlemad) kaotajaks.

VisaHing
02.01.13, 11:52
Tere!

Ma olen Starsi NL 25 short laudades mänginud ilmselt paartuhat kätt ja võitnud eeldatavalt 500$+
Kuna ma ei viici HEMi upgradeda siis mingit graafikut ma Sulle anda ei saa ning ma ei tea, kas on võimalik internetist enam tulemusi järgi vaadata.


Terv,

Kas Starsis on nl25 hu lauad nüüdsest? See paartuhat kätt on muidugi suht olematu sample.

Murdock
02.01.13, 11:55
Eiole starsis nl25 HU short laudu,ilmselt ta mõtles nl50hu short laudu

Kaitz20
02.01.13, 11:56
Sry, mõtlesin NL 50 short
Eks ta üldjuhul ei ole tõepoolest väga suur ning ma viimasel ajal keskendun PLO 50, samas minu puhul keeldutakse mängimast u 50% juhtudel, mis peaks midagi minu taseme kohta näitama (st regular istub lauas ja ootab fishi, kui liitun, siis sit out)