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AshrakWhite
18.01.13, 08:26
Mis sitasti see uuesti.
ZOOM ilge nitfest, toksi parem regular laudu ja liigud kiiremini üles limiitides.
Zoomis on hoopis teine dünaamika kui tava laudades. Päris tõsiselt õpi foldima sette ja KK pre flop.
Tarmonator
18.01.13, 10:34
Zoomis on hoopis teine dünaamika kui tava laudades. Päris tõsiselt õpi foldima sette ja KK pre flop.
Eip
Kuna ta mängib FR i siis ma räägin FR i dünaamikast. Sina oled 6max pelaja.
Tarmonator
18.01.13, 11:02
Olen mänginud FTP's ka FR Rushi kuni nl100. KK foldimiseks PF on ikka vääääääääga head readi ja põhjust vaja. Ja sama kehtib ka normal laudade kohta. Settide või KK foldimine ei ole kindlasti koht kust winrate'i tõsta. Obv tuleb aegajalt sette foldida, aga no need juhud on niiiiii harvad.
AshrakWhite
18.01.13, 11:22
ei ole FR mängija 6max on ikka, PF never ever ei foldi KK ulme read ainult. Setti flopis on ka ikka väga halb foldida.
krt ma vaatasin ka statside järgi et FR aga GL :)
Enamik micro stakes 4bet range on ainult AA/KK
AshrakWhite
18.01.13, 12:19
keegi oskab äkki soovitusi jagada kuidas seda NL2te mängida ise vist justkui ei saa aru :( Mrt?
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8965/180113.jpg
No kui mängud on väga tightid, siis imo varasta CO ja BTN nii palju kui jaksad. Probably oled late pos. liiga tight - sellest ka väike VPIP/PFR
Algul vaatasin ka statside alt ,et FR. Peaksid nagu Herr Jänks ütles CO lt ja BTN ilt loosem olema. 22/18 oleks solid 6max statsid ja 3bet 8-10% vahele. Lisa hudi fold to steal sb/bb stat , enamus vendi zoomis auto foldib blinde sellisel levelil ja fold to steal on sinna 90% kanti. Pmst saad any 2 stealida. Tava avamis rangele lisa kõik suited connectiorid , suited 1 capperid, Ax s , Kx s , Qx s ja kindlasti ava 2.5BB @ CO või isegi 2bb BTN ilt. Kui väga tugev käsi ava 4bb ,keegi ei adjusti või tee notesi sellisel levelil anyway seda enam ,et Zoom.
AshrakWhite
18.01.13, 13:06
siin positsioonide statid.
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2221/positionz.jpg
Nagu sa usegi näed siis, positsioonist sul erilist aimu pole.
AshrakWhite
18.01.13, 14:06
mis see vipip pfr 3b peaks olema OOP 10/8/8?
AshrakWhite
21.01.13, 13:07
Adjustisin siis veidi mängu astavalt Mrt soovitustele, buttonilt lahtisemaks eest kinnisemaks, paistab senimaani et toimib.
tänane graafik:
http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/1724/2101j.jpg
miks mitte 6max nl 2? seal imo mäng loosem ja igast tumbasid koos :D imo mingi 5-10 BI päevad peaks standard olema nl 2.
Mingi päev katsetasin trios nl 2 blaze (starsi zoom) ja nl 2 hu blazes tegin 2-3 tunniga 1000bb deep turnade kõrvale :D ja noh igast paska nägin ikka nagu flopist bottom pair donk shove ette jne :D seal callitakse suht insta AT-AJ su allinni pre või vastupidi shovetekase tyhjast kohast A2 vms käega ette jääb ainult callida kui korralikum paar või AQ+ käes...
AshrakWhite
21.01.13, 13:49
miks mitte 6max nl 2? seal imo mäng loosem ja igast tumbasid koos :D imo mingi 5-10 BI päevad peaks standard olema nl 2.
Mingi päev katsetasin trios nl 2 blaze (starsi zoom) ja nl 2 hu blazes tegin 2-3 tunniga 1000bb deep turnade kõrvale :D ja noh igast paska nägin ikka nagu flopist bottom pair donk shove ette jne :D seal callitakse suht insta AT-AJ su allinni pre või vastupidi shovetekase tyhjast kohast A2 vms käega ette jääb ainult callida kui korralikum paar või AQ+ käes...
ongi jah 6-max ja umbes nii on. Samas mu standard normal solid play oli sitt, nüüd adjustisin ja paistab normaalsem ei ole enam ulme imelikke kohti kus niisama ära stackin.
AshrakWhite
22.01.13, 13:03
Mnjaa sellised päevad panevad kohe appi karjuma, juu siis olengi nii sitt mängija.
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/7582/2201k.jpg
jooksed ju alla EV . Pea püsti! igapäev ei saagi võita, long term on see mis määrab :) EDU!
AshrakWhite
22.01.13, 14:39
jooksed ju alla EV . Pea püsti! igapäev ei saagi võita, long term on see mis määrab :) EDU!
ma tean jah ma niisama ajan sitta :D iga kord kui sain 70% eq rahad sisse naeratasin kuigi nupud läksid vales suunas.
AshrakWhite
23.01.13, 11:00
Uus päev ja jälle ilusti alla EV jooks, paneb appi karjuma juba, loodetavasti ei saa raha otsa enne kui stabiliseerub või midagi.
Uus päev ja jälle ilusti alla EV jooks, paneb appi karjuma juba, loodetavasti ei saa raha otsa enne kui stabiliseerub või midagi.
:/ mis sa teed seal siis ?
AshrakWhite
23.01.13, 11:35
Ilusale hommikule järgnes katastroofiline pärastlõuna.
hetkel graafik selline. parimatesse paladesse kuulub fakt et AK vs underpair ei võtnud kordagi (mingi 5 flippi) 66 boardil 6AA ei ole riveriks good kuna board paardub. jne jne mõnus.
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/8986/2301c.jpg
Mindset on sul nõrk nagu kolme jalaga talleke. Alusta selle treenimisest ja kui NL2 tahad mängida siis lihtsalt grindi grindi grindi str8forward solid tight agressive mängu ja muudkui grindi. Kui see tundub aja raiskamine ja on natuke vaba raha siis depo mingi 150-200$ ja kobi NL5 ning grindi seal samasugust mängu kui arvad, et oled võimeline võitma. kui arvad, et ei ole siis lapi oma lekked Nl2 grindi grindi grindi ala 40-50K kätt maximum rohkem ma küll ei kulutaks Nl2-es aega ja kui vähegi biidid move up as afst as possible kuni jõuad Nl10. See on selline limiit kus pead hakkama tänasel päeval natuke rohkem mõtlema kui Nl2 ja mudiugi table select seni kuni võimalik.
AshrakWhite
23.01.13, 12:17
noh ma ületasin just 50k kätt, aga sellist jooksu nagu siin pole ma elu sees kogenud. Ulme.
Ja pealekauba, kui NL2te ei biidi siis nahhui ma sinna ülesse donkama lähen. Jube kiiresti lähen selle 20 vms BI'ga broke kui AK vs 69o ei hoia. Pole sittagi teha, grindin edasi kuni hoidma hakkab ja siis vaatab edasi, ega brokeni enam siin limiidis kaugel minna ei ole mingi 40BI ja kohal see põhi ongi.
ristijeesus
23.01.13, 12:38
Asi ei ole jooksus. Nagu Camu juba ütles, siis positsioonidest ei tea sa midagi. Veel jäi silma, et päris palju lähed showdownile, aga ei võida isegi pooltel juhtudel. Flopi cbet on ka liiga suur. Tee tööd oma mängu parandamise kallal ja hakkab ka rahakest tulema.
AshrakWhite
23.01.13, 14:49
Asi ei ole jooksus. Nagu Camu juba ütles, siis positsioonidest ei tea sa midagi. Veel jäi silma, et päris palju lähed showdownile, aga ei võida isegi pooltel juhtudel. Flopi cbet on ka liiga suur. Tee tööd oma mängu parandamise kallal ja hakkab ka rahakest tulema.
All EV jooksen, seega jooksus asi. see et AK vs AT sisse saad ja AT võtab on sitt jooks.
Mitu lauda korraga mängid ? Kui sitt jooks, tõmba nitisemaks ja mängi rohkem laudu. 17/13 on selline regulari mäng, ilmselgelt sina veel regular pole. Kuna tegemist ZOOMiga proovi nt 10/8 statidega, pm mängid pocketeid ja premiume. Saad mängust rohkem aimdust siis aina avad ranget, kõigepealt buttonilt ja co-lt loosemaks. AK-ga PFAI põrutada pole ka just kõige optimaalsem mäng, suurendab ainult variatsiooni. Märgista kindlasti regulare ning nitte erinevate värvidega, kellelt sb-lt, btnilt ja co-lt stealida saad.
Edit: Arvasin et pelad full ringi, 6-max on Tarmonatori soovitatud 17/15 hea.
Tarmonator
23.01.13, 16:34
Tegemist on 6maxiga, 10/8 vast päris soovitada ei tasu. 17/13 on vb enamvähem, aga veel parem on 17/15. Ja nagu siin härrad juba enne öelnud on, siis positsioon positsioon positsioon. Ja ära coldcalli nii palju. Ära sisene raisetud potti. Ava ise. Ja kuula mis nõu sulle teised annavad. Muidu jätkub "halb jooks" veel pikalt...
All EV jooksen, seega jooksus asi. see et AK vs AT sisse saad ja AT võtab on sitt jooks.
Kui nii palju käsi oled mänginud nagu väidad, ei ole asi jooksus. Mida varem seda endale teadvustad, seda lihtsam tulevikus. Leak´d on juba teiste poolt välja toodud, treeni mindseti ja ürita paremini mängima õppida. Edu!
AshrakWhite
24.01.13, 14:21
Parimad palad tänasest
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
Button ($2.35)
Hero (SB) ($2.33)
BB ($1.23)
UTG ($3.29)
MP ($1.94)
CO ($1.75)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif
UTG bets $0.08, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.07, 1 fold
Flop: ($0.18) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.08, Hero raises to $0.30, UTG raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.30
Turn: ($1.38) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $2.61 (All-In), Hero calls $1.65 (All-In)
River: ($4.68) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $4.68 | Rake: $0.16
Results below:
Hero had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (two pair, Kings and Jacks).
UTG had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (two pair, Aces and Jacks).
Outcome: UTG won $4.52
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
Button ($2.24)
SB ($3.97)
Hero (BB) ($3.13)
UTG ($2.35)
MP ($0.50)
CO ($4.53)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif
3 folds, Button bets $0.04, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.20, Button raises to $0.48, Hero raises to $3.13 (All-In), Button calls $1.76 (All-In)
Flop: ($4.49) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)
Turn: ($4.49) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)
River: ($4.49) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $4.49 | Rake: $0.16
Results below:
Button had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (one pair, Kings).
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (one pair, Queens).
Outcome: Button won $4.33
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
Button ($0.36)
SB ($2.26)
BB ($2.16)
Hero (UTG) ($2.03)
MP ($2.03)
CO ($4.32)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif
Hero bets $0.06, 3 folds, SB raises to $0.16, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.10
Flop: ($0.34) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets $0.14, Hero calls $0.14
Turn: ($0.62) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets $0.36, Hero raises to $0.90, SB raises to $1.96 (All-In), Hero calls $0.83 (All-In)
River: ($4.08) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $4.08 | Rake: $0.14
Results below:
SB had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (three of a kind, Queens).
Hero had 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (three of a kind, sevens).
Outcome: SB won $3.94
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
Button ($3.98)
SB ($1.11)
BB ($2.25)
Hero (UTG) ($2)
MP ($0.89)
CO ($0.85)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif
Hero bets $0.06, MP calls $0.06, 1 fold, Button calls $0.06, 2 folds
Flop: ($0.21) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $0.14, MP calls $0.14, Button raises to $0.62, Hero raises to $1.94 (All-In), MP calls $0.69 (All-In), Button calls $1.32
Turn: ($4.92) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)
River: ($4.92) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $4.92 | Rake: $0.17
Results below:
Button had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (straight, King high).
Hero had 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (three of a kind, nines).
MP had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (flush, King high).
Outcome: Button won $2.14, MP won $2.61
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
Button ($2)
SB ($2.03)
BB ($1.99)
Hero (UTG) ($2.55)
MP ($1.51)
CO ($2)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif
Hero bets $0.06, 4 folds, BB raises to $0.12, Hero raises to $2.55 (All-In), BB calls $1.87 (All-In)
Flop: ($3.99) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)
Turn: ($3.99) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)
River: ($3.99) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $3.99 | Rake: $0.14
Results below:
BB had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (three of a kind, Jacks).
Hero had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (one pair, Aces).
Outcome: BB won $3.85
Kes ütleb et mul ei ole sitt jooks võib perse kerida.
Sulle tundub, et kõik käed on puhtalt sitt jooks? Ei hakka väga palju sõna võtma, sest pole väga 6maxi harrastaja kunagi olnud, aga imo on siin mõned olukorrad, mis oleks täiesti välditavad ja on suht optimistlikult mängitud, vb ise liiga nit. Siisk, see on nl2 ja küll sa siit läbi ennast grindid, lihtsalt anna hagu ja kuula targemate kaasfoorumlaste õpetusi. Edu!
AshrakWhite
25.01.13, 07:19
Sulle tundub, et kõik käed on puhtalt sitt jooks? Ei hakka väga palju sõna võtma, sest pole väga 6maxi harrastaja kunagi olnud, aga imo on siin mõned olukorrad, mis oleks täiesti välditavad ja on suht optimistlikult mängitud, vb ise liiga nit. Siisk, see on nl2 ja küll sa siit läbi ennast grindid, lihtsalt anna hagu ja kuula targemate kaasfoorumlaste õpetusi. Edu!
millised on optimistlikult mängitud AK olukord? võibolla tõesti samas piisavalt palju 4bet q7o'ga näinud.
AshrakWhite
25.01.13, 14:15
Nonii, täna natuke parem, küll ei pidanud AA vs QTo aga noh see selleks, muidu asjad ikka pidasid. Hakkasin positsiooni ka natuke tugevamalt abusema, seda on näha peale 1628 kätt.
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/4690/2501d.jpg
Ma ise olen hetkel madalseisus ja hakkasin samamoodi zoomi mängima. Kuskile lisasin graafiku kus jooksin meeletult alla EV. Nüüd tegin järeldused: positsioon nagu eelenavlt räägitud, vastase beti suurus. Kui sul on AA ja laud on kuivem kui sahara kõrb ning vastane surub AI, siis sa pead arvestama, et tal on set. Sellel limiidil nutsuga hakatakse metsikult panustama, paremal juhul on tal 2 paari, aga see ka asja väga ei paranda.
AshrakWhite
25.01.13, 15:12
Ma ise olen hetkel madalseisus ja hakkasin samamoodi zoomi mängima. Kuskile lisasin graafiku kus jooksin meeletult alla EV. Nüüd tegin järeldused: positsioon nagu eelenavlt räägitud, vastase beti suurus. Kui sul on AA ja laud on kuivem kui sahara kõrb ning vastane surub AI, siis sa pead arvestama, et tal on set. Sellel limiidil nutsuga hakatakse metsikult panustama, paremal juhul on tal 2 paari, aga see ka asja väga ei paranda.
+1 korra isegi foldisin midagi head täna AA või KK suht low boardil. siin limiidil ei kannata samas stiilis bluffida samas, callitakse maha AA ja KKga seega valuebet limiit.
AK käsi as played fold to reraise. Ma flatiks cbeti ja vaataks turnis edasi. Reraisi callimine on ikka väga optimistlik.
77 fold to 3bet
99 on väga lihtne fold 3 way. Mida sa seal beatida loodad, kui vend raiseb multiway poti sellisel boardil ?
kui 99 seal lihtne fold on siis ma olen pokkerist küll väga valesti aru saanud ??? imo seal võib vabalt olla KT K9 KQ KJ AhTh JhTh QhTh jne TT ka mis meid biidib ja suht never KK
ei?
ristijeesus
26.01.13, 08:01
2+2 foorumis on üks tegelane nimega Pokie, kes foldib tavaliselt kõik alla neliku, vahel ehk callib nut majaga ka (aga ei raise). Nüüd ma siis tean, et see tegelt meie foorumi Mrt1989. Kamoon, flopatud setid on nüüd küll see viimane koht kus üritada mingeid leake leida.
Ma juba teadsin ette,et selline vastu lause tuleb. No shovege edasi oma sette siis, board texture ja player arvu potis peaks ka vaatama... Ei ole nii,set suva bustoks.
AshrakWhite
26.01.13, 09:49
Minumeelest on ka sette foldida, anytime kui ei ole flush või str board, väga ambitsioonikas. Ja isegi kui flopist sisse saad siis on standardis 10 outi kui ei ole blockereid ehk flip str ja flsh vastu.
Ma juba teadsin ette,et selline vastu lause tuleb. No shovege edasi oma sette siis, board texture ja player arvu potis peaks ka vaatama... Ei ole nii,set suva bustoks.
sa muidu stovesid ka seda 99 kätt?
Proovi palju õppevideosid vaadata, ja grindi palju käsi.
Mida rohkem käsi saad seda kergemaks otsused muutuvad kui readid hudi õieti.
Ise mängin FR nl25 zoomi ja 3bet hakkab 10% peale ronima.
(17K kätt)
no offence, aga NL2 Zoom on totaalne pask, võta parem fullring lauad ette ja printing $$$$
AshrakWhite
26.01.13, 21:44
Ei ole seal hullu midagi, abused positsiooni, jälgid vastase betsizezid ja tuleb.
Sain oma taunswingist ka välja, samas olen rõvedalt positsionaalseks ka läinud. paistab toimivat, taastasin 2 päevaga kõik kaotused ja lisaks võitsin ka midagi juurde, täna paar sessi NL2'te ja broll lubas NL5te mängima hakata. tänase päeva graafik on muljetavaldav.
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5789/2601q.jpg
AshrakWhite
26.01.13, 21:45
Legendaarne käsi ka (sessi lõpupoole see mõnus hüpe) tra vaatasin ikka mitu korda üle et on ikka OK callida või mitte, SFi blocker ka :D
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
Button ($11.35)
SB ($4.24)
BB ($5.46)
Hero (UTG) ($15.91)
MP ($2.35)
CO ($22.47)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif
Hero bets $0.15, MP calls $0.15, CO calls $0.15, 3 folds
Flop: ($0.52) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $0.30, 1 fold, CO calls $0.30
Turn: ($1.12) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, CO raises to $2, Hero calls $1.40
River: ($5.12) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $3.60, CO raises to $20.02 (All-In), Hero calls $9.86 (All-In)
Total pot: $32.04 | Rake: $1
Results below:
Hero had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (flush, Ace high).
CO had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (one pair, Jacks).
Outcome: Hero won $31.04
UTG-lt A9s avang sul standard?
AshrakWhite
26.01.13, 21:56
UTG-lt A9s avang sul standard?
Enamasti küll.
UTG-lt A9s avang sul standard?
Loogiline ju , 6max
AshrakWhite
26.01.13, 22:23
ma isegi suht tight 6maxi jaoks. any suited ace peaks mahtuma UTG rangesse avamiseks.
AshrakWhite
27.01.13, 12:19
Täna siis BE, teine sess läks veits nahka KK vs AA, QQ vs AA ja 2x set over set millest ühe korra suutsin kuidagi mitte full stacki ära jagada.
katsetasin ka uut strateegiat et ka punane joon üless saada (non SD) senimaani tundub et töötab be või +EV.
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/9852/2701mu.jpg
ma isegi suht tight 6maxi jaoks. any suited ace peaks mahtuma UTG rangesse avamiseks.
See on küll jama.
AshrakWhite
27.01.13, 17:48
See on küll jama.
ajan jah pada A8s+ EP
ajan jah pada A8s+ EP
Arvan, et ikkagi liiga loose ja dominated ATs+ maby ja see oleneb ka lauast suumis pigem AJs+ kui riidid olemas, et fishid blindidel siis ehk laiemalt?
AshrakWhite
27.01.13, 18:44
Arvan, et ikkagi liiga loose ja dominated ATs+ maby ja see oleneb ka lauast suumis pigem AJs+ kui riidid olemas, et fishid blindidel siis ehk laiemalt?
zuumis ei tasu olla eriti tight LAG töötab. väga palju fast folde ja minimaalselt 3b.
AshrakWhite
29.01.13, 07:31
Eile sattusin veel kahe massiivse vea peale mängus. seda näitab ka graafik.
* Ära mängi kui sitt tuju
* Lõpeta mängimine kui ei ole A game
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/5778/2801a.jpg
AshrakWhite
29.01.13, 07:33
loll küss ka, kuidasm a teema pealkirja muudan? kuna nüüd nl5
loll küss ka, kuidasm a teema pealkirja muudan? kuna nüüd nl5
Esimeses postis ülevals aad muuta.
AshrakWhite
29.01.13, 10:45
Esimeses postis ülevals aad muuta.
Editeerimisel näita lisavalikuid nupp abistas, ei märgand seda ennem.
AshrakWhite
29.01.13, 21:05
Kuidas hommikused võidud õhtul ära dumpida? Easy. Get kings. Shove. Pay the man.
http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/5895/lege.jpg
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9876/2901xu.jpg
AshrakWhite
30.01.13, 12:39
zajebiis mis jooks täna täiesti ******.
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/5548/3001sl.jpg
Viska käed ja statid vastaste kohta üles, ehk annab miskit parandada. NL5ZOOM on ultraülinitt limiit, ise jooksin umbes samamoodi seal nagu sina praegu :D
AshrakWhite
30.01.13, 18:02
Tõmbasin sae käima, ja taastusin:
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2210/301mk2.jpg
Mõnd käed ka:
Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
Button ($5.52)
SB ($7.09) VPIP: 18, PFR: 9, 3B: 6, AF: 2.2, Hands: 137
BB ($2.65)
UTG ($5.84)
Hero (MP) ($5)
CO ($11.21)
Preflop: Hero is MP with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif
UTG bets $0.15, Hero raises $0.40, 2 folds, SB calls $0.38, 2 folds
Flop: ($1) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.70, SB raises $1.80, Hero raises $3.90 (All-In), SB calls $2.80
Turn: ($10.20) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($10.20) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $10.20
Results below:
SB had 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (full house, fours over threes).
Hero had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (two pair, Kings and threes).
Outcome: SB won $9.78
Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
Button ($11.39)
SB ($2.45)
BB ($5) VPIP: 24, PFR: 20, 3B: 16, AF: 2.5, Hands: 76
Hero (UTG) ($6.91)
MP ($3.39)
CO ($5)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif
Hero bets $0.15, 4 folds, BB raises $0.45, Hero calls $0.35
Flop: ($1.02) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB bets $0.55, Hero calls $0.55
Turn: ($2.12) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, BB raises $3.95 (All-In), Hero calls $2.45
River: ($10.02) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $10.02
Results below:
BB had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (full house, Aces over Kings).
Hero had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (three of a kind, Aces).
Outcome: BB won $9.60
Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
Hero (Button) ($19.13)
SB ($6.35)
BB ($4)
UTG ($3.55)
MP ($8.56) VPIP: 45, PFR: 21, 3B: 6, AF: 1.0, Hands: 47
CO ($4.11)
Preflop: Hero is Button with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif
1 fold, MP bets $0.20, 1 fold, Hero raises $0.45, 2 folds, MP raises $1.45, 1 fold
Total pot: $0.97
Results below:
MP didn't show
Keegi riverit ka valueb?
Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
Hero (Button) ($18.92)
SB ($7.14) VPIP: 36, PFR: 27, 3B: 0, AF: 1.5, Hands: 11
BB ($5.68)
UTG ($10.23) VPIP: 27, PFR: 27, 3B: 25, AF: 0.0, Hands: 22
MP ($7.17)
CO ($5.10)
Preflop: Hero is Button with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif
UTG bets $0.15, 2 folds, Hero raises $0.40, SB calls $0.38, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.25
Flop: ($1.25) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.75, SB calls $0.75, UTG calls $0.75
Turn: ($3.50) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1.80, SB calls $1.80, UTG calls $1.80
River: ($8.90) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks
Total pot: $8.90
Results below:
Hero had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (two pair, Aces and Kings).
SB had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (one pair, Aces).
UTG had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (one pair, Aces).
Outcome: Hero won $8.53
Ja mina mõtlesin, et olen ainuke kellel ikka julmalt allapoole vahepeal läheb. :D. Väga tulbi, et ikka julgesid pärast sellist kukkumist mängida.
viimases käes bet river kindlalt
AshrakWhite
30.01.13, 18:30
Ja mina mõtlesin, et olen ainuke kellel ikka julmalt allapoole vahepeal läheb. :D. Väga tulbi, et ikka julgesid pärast sellist kukkumist mängida.
kusjuures ma väga reaalselt tunnetan ära kui sitt mindset on, alateadvuses (hommikune osa) ja ikka raisk mängin, debiilne ju.... eks peab korda saama selle osa
AshrakWhite
30.01.13, 18:31
viimases käes bet river kindlalt
5 ja call shove?
Minul hakkas päev halvasti, aga selleks ajaks kui lauad lahti tegin, arvasin, et kõik korras ja suht A game. Samas vaatasin oma tänased käed ka ilusti üle ja no ei olnudki mitte midagi mängida :D ja need, mis ma mängisin pm kõik kaotasin, täiesti ulme noh. Ja peale selle ühes lauas u. 200 kätt ei saanudki ma millelegi piht, selline pisikene sentidega kõikumine oli :D umbes nii, et kas keegi foldis pärast cbetti või mitte.
AshrakWhite
31.01.13, 08:03
Vaatasin kätt valesti, mõtlesin et mul 5T :P
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
Button ($7.91)
Hero (SB) ($5.78)
BB ($5)
UTG ($5.95)
MP ($3.76)
CO ($2.53)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif
4 folds, Hero bets $0.10, BB calls $0.05
Flop: ($0.20) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.15, BB calls $0.15
Turn: ($0.50) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30
River: ($1.10) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.90, 1 fold
Total pot: $1.10 | Rake: $0.05
Results below:
Hero didn't show 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (nothing).
Keegi mängib muudmoodi?
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
Button ($12.76)
SB ($3.32)
BB ($6.26)
UTG ($2.55)
Hero (MP) ($8.14)
CO ($2.19)
Preflop: Hero is MP with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif
UTG bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.35, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.25
Flop: ($0.77) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.60, UTG calls $0.60
Turn: ($1.97) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.35, UTG raises to $1.60 (All-In), Hero calls $0.25
River: ($5.17) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $5.17 | Rake: $0.21
Results below:
UTG had 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (full house, threes over tens).
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (two pair, Queens and tens).
Outcome: UTG won $4.96
Mida bluff.
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
Button ($5)
SB ($9.66)
Hero (BB) ($9.48)
UTG ($2.01)
MP ($7.60)
CO ($7.55)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif
4 folds, SB bets $0.15, Hero raises to $0.40, SB calls $0.25
Flop: ($0.80) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.45, SB calls $0.45
Turn: ($1.70) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (2 players)
SB bets $0.98, Hero calls $0.98
River: ($3.66) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets $7.83 (All-In), Hero calls $7.65 (All-In)
Total pot: $18.96 | Rake: $0.79
Results below:
SB had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (one pair, Aces).
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (flush, Ace high).
Outcome: Hero won $18.17
QQ käes ma 3betiks suuremalt, 7bb-d kohe kindlasti vähe. Paneks 0.40-0.45$
AshrakWhite
31.01.13, 11:03
QQ käes ma 3betiks suuremalt, 7bb-d kohe kindlasti vähe. Paneks 0.40-0.45$
mis selle eesmärk on? kiiremini nuppe saada?
Eesmärk on anda kolmiku hittimiseks väiksemad oddsid, samas sundida vastast rohkem raha potti panema ehk olema committed.
mis selle eesmärk on? kiiremini nuppe saada?
Dnbftw ütles juba, milleks selle eesmärk on:redface:
AshrakWhite
31.01.13, 19:44
postitasin kuu kokkuvõtte esimesse posti, panene ka teised kuud sinna.
AshrakWhite
04.02.13, 13:02
Mine ***** sa vana türastand piider nahhui.
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
Button ($3.97)
SB ($8.62)
BB ($5.72)
UTG ($5.79)
MP ($9.20)
Hero (CO) ($8.59)
Preflop: Hero is CO with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif
UTG calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.20, 1 fold, SB raises to $0.70, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.50
Flop: ($1.50) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets $1.05, Hero calls $1.05
Turn: ($3.60) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, SB raises to $6.87 (All-In), Hero calls $4.84 (All-In)
River: ($17.28) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $17.28 | Rake: $0.72
Results below:
SB had 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (full house, eights over nines).
Hero had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (straight, Queen high).
Outcome: SB won $16.56
Ja kõik algas preflopis pisukesest veast:)
fold pre, fold flop, kui miskipärast turni näed siis nh.
AshrakWhite
04.02.13, 14:14
Ja kõik algas preflopis pisukesest veast:)
Et siis mida callida loose mänijat broadwayga? siis teada et hittis floppi ja kui turnis hittin saan nupud 100% keskele?
Kõik teeme kirjavigu aga lauseehitus võiks siiski jääda ka teistele lugejatele arusaadavaks. Eriti kui tegemist on küsimusega.
AshrakWhite
05.02.13, 08:14
Aitab küll, võib selle foorumi topicu kinni panna.
sain täna jälle esimese 500 käe jooksul 2x 80% ära tõmmatud ja siis üks 1 outer ka veel.
Pokerstars rigged blahblahjada jada, kannan enda raha välja ja enam ei mängi, ilmselt nii parem.
Proovi regular laudu, tableselecti hoolikalt ja hoia meel tugev.
AshrakWhite
05.02.13, 08:35
Proovi regular laudu, tableselecti hoolikalt ja hoia meel tugev.
Ei jaksa enam, poolteist kuud ulmelist jooksu keerab mindseti ikka nii *****, ei julge enam AK AK4 boardil shoveda jne. pole mõtet.
Strawberry
05.02.13, 08:36
Ei jaksa enam, poolteist kuud ulmelist jooksu keerab mindseti ikka nii *****, ei julge enam AK AK4 boardil shoveda jne. pole mõtet.
Vaata private messaget.
AshrakWhite
05.02.13, 09:58
Mõned käed ka, arvake ära kes võitis.
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
Button ($7.36)
Hero (SB) ($9.92)
BB ($8.56)
UTG ($6.60)
MP ($2.61)
CO ($11.09)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif
2 folds, CO calls $0.05, Button bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.23, 1 fold, CO calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.80) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets $0.60, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, Button raises to $6.50, Hero raises to $9.67 (All-In), Button calls $0.61 (All-In)
Turn: ($15.02) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)
River: ($15.02) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $15.02 | Rake: $0.62
Results below:
Button had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (two pair, Queens and eights).
Hero had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (one pair, Kings).
Outcome: Button won $14.40
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
Button ($7.77)
SB ($2.51)
BB ($5.30)
Hero (UTG) ($6.55)
MP ($5.09)
CO ($6.92)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif
Hero bets $0.15, MP calls $0.15, CO raises to $0.60, 3 folds, Hero raises to $6.55 (All-In), 1 fold, CO calls $5.95
Flop: ($13.32) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Turn: ($13.32) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($13.32) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $13.32 | Rake: $0.55
Results below:
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (one pair, Queens).
CO had 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (straight, Jack high).
Outcome: CO won $12.77
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
Button ($3.97)
SB ($8.62)
BB ($5.72)
UTG ($5.79)
MP ($9.20)
Hero (CO) ($8.59)
Preflop: Hero is CO with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif
UTG calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.20, 1 fold, SB raises to $0.70, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.50
Flop: ($1.50) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets $1.05, Hero calls $1.05
Turn: ($3.60) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, SB raises to $6.87 (All-In), Hero calls $4.84 (All-In)
River: ($17.28) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $17.28 | Rake: $0.72
Results below:
SB had 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (full house, eights over nines).
Hero had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (straight, Queen high).
Outcome: SB won $16.56
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
Button ($1.09)
SB ($5.02)
Hero (BB) ($6.21)
UTG ($5.79)
MP ($10.53)
CO ($13.25)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif
3 folds, Button bets $0.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6.21 (All-In), Button calls $0.89 (All-In)
Flop: ($2.20) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)
Turn: ($2.20) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)
River: ($2.20) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $2.20 | Rake: $0.09
Results below:
Button had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (straight, eight high).
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (straight, seven high).
Outcome: Button won $2.11
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
Hero (Button) ($5.29)
SB ($9.76)
BB ($8.15)
UTG ($5.07)
MP ($5.74)
CO ($9.41)
Preflop: Hero is Button with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif
3 folds, Hero bets $0.15, 1 fold, BB raises to $0.25, Hero raises to $0.60, BB calls $0.35
Flop: ($1.22) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (2 players)
BB bets $0.95, Hero raises to $4.69 (All-In), BB calls $3.74
Turn: ($10.60) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($10.60) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $10.60 | Rake: $0.44
Results below:
Hero had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (straight, five high).
BB had 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (straight, seven high).
Outcome: BB won $10.16
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
Button ($8.72)
Hero (SB) ($5.72)
BB ($4.65)
UTG ($4.75)
MP ($2.78)
CO ($1.85)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif
1 fold, MP bets $0.15, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, 1 fold, MP calls $0.25
Flop: ($0.85) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, MP calls $0.50
Turn: ($1.85) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1, MP raises to $1.88 (All-In), Hero calls $0.88
River: ($5.61) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $5.61 | Rake: $0.23
Results below:
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (three of a kind, Queens).
MP had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (straight, Ace high).
Outcome: MP won $5.38
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
Button ($6.05)
SB ($1.80)
BB ($2.01)
Hero (UTG) ($12.24)
MP ($7.79)
CO ($5.90)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif
Hero bets $0.15, 4 folds, BB raises to $0.36, Hero raises to $0.60, BB raises to $2.01 (All-In), Hero calls $1.41
Flop: ($4.04) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Turn: ($4.04) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($4.04) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $4.04 | Rake: $0.17
Results below:
BB had 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (one pair, Aces).
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (one pair, Queens).
Outcome: BB won $3.87
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
Button ($1.68)
SB ($8.23)
BB ($3.88)
UTG ($5.36)
MP ($5.48)
Hero (CO) ($12.31)
Preflop: Hero is CO with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif
1 fold, MP bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, BB calls $0.35, MP calls $0.30
Flop: ($1.22) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (3 players)
BB bets $0.50, MP calls $0.50, Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $3.48 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls $1.98
Turn: ($8.68) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($8.68) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $8.68 | Rake: $0.36
Results below:
BB had 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (two pair, Aces and nines).
Hero had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (one pair, Aces).
Outcome: BB won $8.32
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
Button ($4.38)
SB ($4.04)
BB ($1.71)
UTG ($9.36)
Hero (MP) ($6.41)
CO ($1.06)
Preflop: Hero is MP with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif
1 fold, Hero bets $0.15, CO raises to $1.06 (All-In), 3 folds, Hero calls $0.91
Flop: ($2.19) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Turn: ($2.19) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($2.19) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $2.19 | Rake: $0.09
Results below:
Hero had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (two pair, Kings and sevens).
CO had 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (three of a kind, sevens).
Outcome: CO won $2.10
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
Button ($5.07)
SB ($5.50)
BB ($0.49)
UTG ($7.20)
MP ($8.39)
Hero (CO) ($8.29)
Preflop: Hero is CO with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif
2 folds, Hero bets $0.15, Button calls $0.15, 1 fold, BB calls $0.10
Flop: ($0.47) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.35, 1 fold, BB calls $0.34 (All-In)
Turn: ($1.15) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($1.15) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $1.15 | Rake: $0.05
Results below:
BB had 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (three of a kind, tens).
Hero didn't show Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (nothing).
Outcome: BB won $1.10
Eelviimane käsi mingi weirdo. Sick biidid indeed :(
AshrakWhite
05.02.13, 10:13
see ainult see kuu, 12k käe seast .... eelmine kuu umbes sama. mingi RB najal elasin üle.
Edit: Ahjaa kõigis nendes kätes oli 65+% equity ka mul.
ristijeesus
05.02.13, 10:42
Nii on jah keeruline võita kui 2 paari on nõrgem kui paar.
AshrakWhite
05.02.13, 12:22
Nii on jah keeruline võita kui 2 paari on nõrgem kui paar.
hmm? ei mõista :)
ristijeesus
05.02.13, 12:28
SB had 9 :spade:, A :spade: (one pair, sevens).
Hero had K :heart:, A :spade: (two pair, Kings and sevens).
Outcome: SB won $5.86
nikitheone
05.02.13, 12:34
lol busted
AshrakWhite
05.02.13, 13:03
Parandasin ära selle broken käe, ilmselt konversiooni käigus läks võssa.
redddman10
05.02.13, 13:12
sickid biidid jep. aga enamus ju mingite shortstäkkide vastu.paar diibimat kätt ja mõni full stäkk.ja indeed mängi parem tavalisi laudu.see ongi üks bad beatide paradiis seal:)
AshrakWhite
05.02.13, 14:17
sickid biidid jep. aga enamus ju mingite shortstäkkide vastu.paar diibimat kätt ja mõni full stäkk.ja indeed mängi parem tavalisi laudu.see ongi üks bad beatide paradiis seal:)
nii ka nüüd ei saa võtta et bad biidite paradiis. Miks peaks zoomi biidid erinema regular biitidest?!
Ma mäletan, kui sa aastaid tagasi tegid ühe video oma mängust ja sealt on meelde jäänud selline liigutus, et teed mingi otsuse ühel tänaval ja siis järgmine otsus oleks nagu ainult näha showdowni. Nüüd peale uut algust paistab su kätest samasugust suhtumist välja, saad pihta ja siis on edasine mäng väga lühike. Antud käed on muidugi standard, aga tõenäoliselt on väga palju käsi selliseid, kus paned vastase lihtsa otsuse ette, et foldib sitemad ja jätkab parematega. Kui NL5 tainad callivad su vastu alati sitemaga, siis on veel teine pool pokkerist, kus nad peaksid paremad käed foldima. Seejärel sitemaga bettima.
Edu ja loodan, et sa ikka jätkad, kui võimalik, võta coach.
Proovi FR nl5 ZOOMI mingi 12/8 stattidega 2-3 lauda, vaata kas winrate läheb paremaks.
Kust niipalju raha said, et ikka veel mängid Askar? Võidetud käsi polegi?
AshrakWhite
05.02.13, 19:49
Kust niipalju raha said, et ikka veel mängid Askar? Võidetud käsi polegi?
RakeBack toidab.
Mis rakeback sul on ? Mingi first depo boonus ? Alla Platinum stari on rb pmst olematu starsis. :D
RB-ga väiksemad pokkeritoad ongi paremad alustada ilmselt, kui 300daala roll koos siis lennata starsi ja alustada nl10. Selle 50k käega oleks 30% rb-ga saanud 20 daala asemel umbes 200 daala ilmselt rb-d. Ise üritasin ka starsi nl2 ja nl5 Zoomi, suht BE jooksin aga siiski plussis umbes 30k kätt. Proovisin ka nl10 ja tundus palju parem mängida kui 73o-d jne ei coldcalli PFR peale. Starsis on alla nl10 jama regular laudu multitableda sest need on vist "fast" ehk 15 sekki vms, sp on tõesti mõtekam regular laudade asemel zoomi mängida enne nl10-t.
AshrakWhite
06.02.13, 07:21
Mis rakeback sul on ? Mingi first depo boonus ? Alla Platinum stari on rb pmst olematu starsis. :D
silverstar on
Strawberry
06.02.13, 08:02
Mis rakeback sul on ? Mingi first depo boonus ? Alla Platinum stari on rb pmst olematu starsis. :D
NL2 silverstar = supernova
NL5 goldstar = supernova
NL10 platinumstar = supernova
nanostakesis on special bonused PS-s
Tavaline silverstar saab $1 rake eest 8,25 FPP-d.
NL2 silverstar saab $1 rake eest 15 FPP-d ja rake on ainult 3,5% capped at $0.30, mis on oluliselt madalam kui tavaline rake.
NL2 silverstar = supernova
NL5 goldstar = supernova
NL10 platinumstar = supernova
nanostakesis on special bonused PS-s
Tavaline silverstar saab $1 rake eest 8,25 FPP-d.
NL2 silverstar saab $1 rake eest 15 FPP-d ja rake on ainult 3,5% capped at $0.30, mis on oluliselt madalam kui tavaline rake.
Ja siis vahetab selle hunniku FPP-sid 25 daala kaupa lahti?
Strawberry
06.02.13, 09:59
Ja siis vahetab selle hunniku FPP-sid 25 daala kaupa lahti?
jah, $25 on päris mitu full buyini ka
Kas see nano stakes on ainult ZOOM´i teema? Otsisin küll netist, aga mingit seletust väga ei leidnud, et mis see nano stakes tähendab täpselt ja mis sinna alla kuulub jne. Keegi valgustab?
midagi sellist vast
NL2-NL5 nano
NL10-NL50 micro
NL100-NL200 low
AshrakWhite
06.02.13, 13:23
Põhimõtteliselt teen pausi, avastasin ka leake enda mängid, hitin mingi käe ära ja siis ei suuda alla anda kugi väga obv et beat.
Paar kuud pausi ja siis 200 taala vms depo ja NL10st algus uuesti, vaatab mis siis saab, preagu vähe puhkust ja live pkrit.
Strawberry
06.02.13, 15:52
Kas see nano stakes on ainult ZOOM´i teema? Otsisin küll netist, aga mingit seletust väga ei leidnud, et mis see nano stakes tähendab täpselt ja mis sinna alla kuulub jne. Keegi valgustab?
Nano on lihtsalt termin, mis tähendab väiksemat kui micro.
Pokerstarsis on extra bonustega NL2, NL5 ja NL10, mis teeb kõige raskemaks limiidiks NL25, sest seal ei ole enam special bonuseid ning samas on peaaegu võimatu ka supernovat saavutada.
AshrakWhite
11.02.13, 07:31
Total doomswitch on peal, eranditult ükski käsi ei hoia ja ükski mid ega bottom set ei ole guud sest teistel 100% ajast top set.
lähen NL2 ja grindin seal kuni EV hoidma hakkab heh
Nano on lihtsalt termin, mis tähendab väiksemat kui micro.
Pokerstarsis on extra bonustega NL2, NL5 ja NL10, mis teeb kõige raskemaks limiidiks NL25, sest seal ei ole enam special bonuseid ning samas on peaaegu võimatu ka supernovat saavutada.
mis nende special boonuste all muidu silmas pead? NL2 ja NL5 peaks rake % väiksem olema, sealt edasi igal pool 4,5%. Minu loogika ütleb just et sel samal põhjusel et seal supernovat keeruline saavutada teeb nl25 limiidi just softimaks, sest iga tõsise grinderi jaoks on supernova must.
Strawberry
11.02.13, 08:33
mis nende special boonuste all muidu silmas pead? NL2 ja NL5 peaks rake % väiksem olema, sealt edasi igal pool 4,5%. Minu loogika ütleb just et sel samal põhjusel et seal supernovat keeruline saavutada teeb nl25 limiidi just softimaks, sest iga tõsise grinderi jaoks on supernova must.
NL2 $1 rake = 10 VPP
NL5 $1 rake = 8,5 VPP
NL10 $1 rake = 7 VPP
NL25+ $1 rake = 5,5 VPP
NL25 supernova saab $1 rake eest 19,25 FPP-d. Maksab 4,5% rake.
NL2 silver star saab $1 rake eest 15 FPP-d. Maksab 3,5% rake. Lisaks on Stellar Milestonede väärtus ~8% asemel ~15-16% (kuna VPP-d tulevad peaaegu 2x kiiremini ja milestoned saavutatakse palju väiksema rakega)
Ma ei viitsi päris detailseid arvutusi teha kui palju 3,5% rake vs 4,5% rake rakeback equivalent on, aga kokkuvõtvalt on NL2 silverstar paremas seisus kui NL25 supernova ning NL10 Platinum Star on umbes samas seisus kui NL25 supernova
Obv et rake on madalamal teistmoodi, see pole ju mingi special boonus ja ei tee nl25 automaatselt kõige raskemaks limiidiks.
Ei saa su poindile pihta lihtsalt. Võta juba selle foorumi põhjal - up to nl25 biitivaid mängijaid küllaga aga nl50+ oluliselt vähem.
Strawberry
11.02.13, 08:57
Ma ei tea enam millest sa räägid, kui tabelist aru ei saa siis gg.
AshrakWhite
18.05.15, 14:23
ohhhohhhooooo 2 a hiljem ja tagasi zoomis ja jagan jälle raha laiali, masendav. Ei viitsi kurta, parem üritame parandada asja.
Enivei, osad käed olen juba 6maxi foorumisse postitanud ja siia panen siis oma statid hetkel. korralikult donkasin oma esimese kande maha ja nüüd teen veidi analüüsi ja researchi enne kui uue kande teen.
Seekord plaanis NL5 mängida alustades 40 BIga kuni saavutan normaalse winrate ja stiili millega kannatab mängida. seejärel liigun üless NL10.
Statid:
http://imageshack.com/a/img905/2882/0blp7d.png
http://imageshack.com/a/img540/300/RfkIRG.png
http://imageshack.com/a/img540/7154/METQN3.png
Mõtteid?
korrastaja
18.05.15, 16:50
Soovitaks mängida tavalist 6maxi, mitte zoomi. Zoomis on niikuiniigi enamustel winrate 1-2-3 bb võrra madalam, kui tavaformaadis. Pole mingisugust positsiooni fishide üle ning regid mängivad mingi määral tugevamat range, kuna sodi saab maha visata ning kiirelt uue käe üles võtta. Eeldaksin, et ka fishid ei mängi sellepärast nii laia range, kui nad võiksid seda teha standard 6maxis.
AshrakWhite
18.05.15, 20:20
Võib olla loll küsimus, kas 3bet call range peaks olema kitsam kui 3bet range? Point selles, et palju võimsust kannab initsiatiiv? 3b 8-10 ja call 3b 6-8?
Või mõtlen valesti?
Võib olla loll küsimus, kas 3bet call range peaks olema kitsam kui 3bet range? Point selles, et palju võimsust kannab initsiatiiv? 3b 8-10 ja call 3b 6-8?
Või mõtlen valesti?
3bet call range peaks olema vastupidiselt laiem. Kui 3bet call oleks nii madal, et see oleks väiksem kui 3bet, oleks tulemus ilmselt üsna katastroofiline.
AshrakWhite
19.05.15, 12:42
On pakkuda mingit head artiklit kuidas mängida 3-bet potis?
st kui olen VS 3b potis. nii IP kui OOP
Mingi video leidsin, aga ei oska öelda kui hea/halb on. Vb abiks :)
https://www.pokertube.com/videos/advanced-concepts-to-crush-ssnl-playing-3-bet-pots-postflop
Confidence
19.05.15, 15:00
3bet call range peaks olema vastupidiselt laiem. Kui 3bet call oleks nii madal, et see oleks väiksem kui 3bet, oleks tulemus ilmselt üsna katastroofiline.
Õppige pokkeriteooriat poisid. Kõik muud lähenemised probleemile on ühedimensioonilised ning tekitavad tulevikus probleeme (kui eesmärk on "normaalsel" tasemel tulevikus mängida). Suurt pilti peab nägema selleks et teatud punkte omavahel ühendada. Unexploitable on võtmesõna.
http://www.amazon.com/Applications-No-Limit-Hold-Matthew-Janda/dp/1880685558
See raamat.
Õppige pokkeriteooriat poisid. Kõik muud lähenemised probleemile on ühedimensioonilised ning tekitavad tulevikus probleeme (kui eesmärk on "normaalsel" tasemel tulevikus mängida). Suurt pilti peab nägema selleks et teatud punkte omavahel ühendada. Unexploitable on võtmesõna.
http://www.amazon.com/Applications-No-Limit-Hold-Matthew-Janda/dp/1880685558
See raamat.
Ma ei saa täpselt aru kas sa nõustud minuga või vaidled millegi suhtes vastu, aga see raamat kinnitab seda mis ma enne juba ütlesin. Mitte, et see unexploitable oleks, aga silma järgi vaadates peaks pre-flop peatüki järgi umbes 27-30% vs 3-bet callima (reaalsuses panuste suurused ilmselt muudavad seda numbrit mingil määral).
Osaliselt ma nõustun, et "õiged" harjumused tuleks võimalikult vara sisse harjutada, aga ma samas kahtlen, et see just kõige parem raamat on mida NL5 mängijale soovitada. Tegemist on siiski kirjandusega, mis on mõeldud tugevatele ja mõtlevatele mängijatele vastu saamiseks. Näiteks kui BvB olukorras fishilt 3-beti saad ei ole nii madalal lihtsalt mõtet hakata a'la Q7s-ga 4-bet bluffima, et balanseeritud olla või post-flop näiteks value-to-bluff ratio peale mõtlema hakata. Ma üldse ei kahtle, et madalamates limiitides nende teadmistega edukalt biitida saab, aga graafik on ilmselt paras EKG.
Confidence
19.05.15, 17:16
Ma ei saa täpselt aru kas sa nõustud minuga või vaidled millegi suhtes vastu, aga see raamat kinnitab seda mis ma enne juba ütlesin. Mitte, et see unexploitable oleks, aga silma järgi vaadates peaks pre-flop peatüki järgi umbes 27-30% vs 3-bet callima (reaalsuses panuste suurused ilmselt muudavad seda numbrit mingil määral).
Osaliselt ma nõustun, et "õiged" harjumused tuleks võimalikult vara sisse harjutada, aga ma samas kahtlen, et see just kõige parem raamat on mida NL5 mängijale soovitada. Tegemist on siiski kirjandusega, mis on mõeldud tugevatele ja mõtlevatele mängijatele vastu saamiseks. Näiteks kui BvB olukorras fishilt 3-beti saad ei ole nii madalal lihtsalt mõtet hakata a'la Q7s-ga 4-bet bluffima, et balanseeritud olla või post-flop näiteks value-to-bluff ratio peale mõtlema hakata. Ma üldse ei kahtle, et madalamates limiitides nende teadmistega edukalt biitida saab, aga graafik on ilmselt paras EKG.
See raamat aitab ehitada tugeva teoreetilise raamistiku. Kuidas pokker teoreetiliselt "töötab" ja kuidas oleks korrektne mängida. Seega kui sa reaalselt mõistad kuidas unexploitable pokker töötab siis saad exploitimise kohapealt ka omad järeldused teha.
Praktikas loeb ainult Max EV. Vahet pole kas see on siis unexploitable lähenemine sauce vastu HUd mängides või exploitative lähenemine drooleri vastu kes 3betib 100%.
1) Against any player:
Most profitable play = maximally exploitative play
2) Against a "nemesis" (a player who will exploit us maximally whatever we do):
Most profitable play = maximally exploitative play under the constraint that we immediately will get maximally exploited in return = Nash equilibrium strategy.
In both cases we're maximizing profit and playing each individual hand as profitably as possible. Against the nemesis, this process leads us to a Nash equilibrium strategy with ranges that are balanced everywhere, but we don't play balanced for balance's sake, we do it because it maximizes our expectation against the nemesis.
It often comes up in discussion that GTO/Nash equilibrium strategies are defensive and designed not to lose. It's not incorrect to state this, but it's more useful to to think about them as designed to maximize expectation against a perfectly playing opponent. It just so happens that when we're playing against a nemesis, our maximized expectation is zero, but against most opponents we will win.
Against an exploitable opponent who doesn't adjust, we will win the most by removing the assumption that we always get counter-exploited. Then we can make more extreme exploitative moves and increase our profit further.
In poker the term "exploitative play" is usually associated with making money from opponent mistakes. We're stuck with that term, but I like "maximizing expectation" better, because it's generally applicable and because this is what we always try to do, whether our opponent is making mistakes or not. Against weak players, we achieve this by using extreme strategies that can be exploited in return. Against the nemesis, we achieve this by playing a Nash equilibrium strategy.
Hommikukohvi kõrvale lugemist:
http://www.runitonce.com/nlhe/breaking-apart-misconceptions-about-gto/#/comment-131841
Confidence
19.05.15, 17:21
Teine must read raamat oleks "Mental Game of Poker 2" Tendleri poolt. See paneb päris hea aluse A-game arendamisele ja sellele kuidas iga pro peaks lähenema et selles maailmas ellu jääda.
GL
See raamat aitab ehitada tugeva teoreetilise raamistiku. Kuidas pokker teoreetiliselt "töötab" ja kuidas oleks korrektne mängida. Seega kui sa reaalselt mõistad kuidas unexploitable pokker töötab siis saad exploitimise kohapealt ka omad järeldused teha.
Praktikas loeb ainult Max EV. Vahet pole kas see on siis unexploitable lähenemine sauce vastu HUd mängides või exploitative lähenemine drooleri vastu kes 3betib 100%.
1) Against any player:
Most profitable play = maximally exploitative play
2) Against a "nemesis" (a player who will exploit us maximally whatever we do):
Most profitable play = maximally exploitative play under the constraint that we immediately will get maximally exploited in return = Nash equilibrium strategy.
In both cases we're maximizing profit and playing each individual hand as profitably as possible. Against the nemesis, this process leads us to a Nash equilibrium strategy with ranges that are balanced everywhere, but we don't play balanced for balance's sake, we do it because it maximizes our expectation against the nemesis.
It often comes up in discussion that GTO/Nash equilibrium strategies are defensive and designed not to lose. It's not incorrect to state this, but it's more useful to to think about them as designed to maximize expectation against a perfectly playing opponent. It just so happens that when we're playing against a nemesis, our maximized expectation is zero, but against most opponents we will win.
Against an exploitable opponent who doesn't adjust, we will win the most by removing the assumption that we always get counter-exploited. Then we can make more extreme exploitative moves and increase our profit further.
In poker the term "exploitative play" is usually associated with making money from opponent mistakes. We're stuck with that term, but I like "maximizing expectation" better, because it's generally applicable and because this is what we always try to do, whether our opponent is making mistakes or not. Against weak players, we achieve this by using extreme strategies that can be exploited in return. Against the nemesis, we achieve this by playing a Nash equilibrium strategy.
Hommikukohvi kõrvale lugemist:
http://www.runitonce.com/nlhe/breaking-apart-misconceptions-about-gto/#/comment-131841
Ma saan täpselt aru mida sa mõtled ja nõustun, aga ma pidasin eelmise postitusega silmas seda, et madalamaid limiite on võimalik täiesti edukalt ja variatsioonivabamalt läbi lihtsamate kontseptsioonide biitida ja hiljem kõrgemale tõustes saab lihtsalt keerukamad asjad juurde õppida. See Matthew Janda raamat on loomulikult ajatu kuid madalal mängides peaks võib-olla pigem keskenduma solid basic strateegia välja töötamisele (näiteks The Poker Blueprint).
Confidence
19.05.15, 18:14
Janda raamat ongi basic solid strateegiast.
AshrakWhite
19.05.15, 23:06
Nii, peale mõningast asjade ülevaatamist esimene sess. 1h ~0.5BI +
paar funky kätt oli ka ja kuulereid nagu ikka.
H1: liiga passiivne võib olla samas oli väga väga safe board
Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com
Button ($5.02)
SB ($4.81)
Hero (BB) ($10.96)
UTG ($5.94)
MP ($4.66)
CO ($5)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif
1 fold, MP raises $0.15, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.10
Flop: ($0.32) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.24, Hero calls $0.24
Turn: ($0.80) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.75, MP calls $0.75
River: ($2.30) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.55, MP raises $3.52 (All-In), Hero calls $1.97
Total pot: $9.34
Results below:
Hero had 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (three of a kind, fours).
MP had 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (straight, Jack high).
Outcome: MP won $8.95
H2:
Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/
Button ($3.59)
Hero (SB) ($7)
BB ($5.15)
UTG ($5.40)
MP ($8.43)
CO ($4.41)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif
2 folds, CO raises $0.15, 1 fold, Hero raises $0.53, 1 fold, CO calls $0.40
Flop: ($1.15) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, CO calls $0.70
Turn: ($2.55) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.22, Hero folds
Total pot: $2.55
Results below:
CO didn't show
H3:
Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
Button ($8.03)
Hero (SB) ($8.55)
BB ($10.62)
UTG ($5.52)
MP ($7.92)
CO ($5.83)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif
4 folds, Hero raises $0.13, BB calls $0.10
Flop: ($0.30) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.25, BB calls $0.25
Turn: ($0.80) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.65, BB calls $0.65
River: ($2.10) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks
Total pot: $2.10
Results below:
Hero had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (two pair, Jacks and sixes).
BB had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (two pair, Jacks and sixes).
Outcome: BB won $2.01
H4: All them outs omg.
Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
Button ($8.35)
SB ($5)
BB ($6.37)
UTG ($6.87)
MP ($4.77)
Hero (CO) ($5.75)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif
2 folds, Hero raises $0.15, Button raises $0.45, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.30
Flop: ($0.97) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks
Turn: ($0.97) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, Button calls $0.60
River: ($2.17) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1.55, Hero folds
Total pot: $2.17
Results below:
Button didn't show
AshrakWhite
20.05.15, 09:53
täna vaadates h1 on fine, tüübil ~20% hittida võib isegi pot panna
h2 olen nit, call ja check call river ilmselt hea
h3 on ka okei, riveril check call, ei taha bettida kuna sitem enivei valuet ei anna ja AI minna ka kahtlane
h4 on ka okei vist, järele mõeldes kahtlustan et turnil oli mul 2 outsi. aga vaakumis ei tea kunagi.
H1: üldiselt microdes mõttetu slowplayda. Isegi ohutu laua puhul. Ma ajan ikka rahasid sisse, foldib siis foldib.
H4: open-ended straightflush draw võimalusega royal hittida- miks floppi chekkida? Nii masiivset drawd ikka pigem aggroda? Või arvad, et seal QQ vastas? Või JJ?
H1: üldiselt microdes mõttetu slowplayda. Isegi ohutu laua puhul. Ma ajan ikka rahasid sisse, foldib siis foldib.
H4: open-ended straightflush draw võimalusega royal hittida- miks floppi chekkida? Nii masiivset drawd ikka pigem aggroda? Või arvad, et seal QQ vastas? Või JJ?
ei :(
1. wp
2. makes no sense. milleks 3bettida for value ja siis give uppida seal, eriti mingi fishise stacki vastu?
3. wp
4. mehhhhh. Mida tightimad 3bet ranged, seda vähem näed oma equityt turnis/riveris ja ei saa lightilt peelida. Prolly oleks pre fold ausate micronittide vastu.
AshrakWhite
20.05.15, 11:17
ei :(
1. wp
2. makes no sense. milleks 3bettida for value ja siis give uppida seal, eriti mingi fishise stacki vastu?
3. wp
4. mehhhhh. Mida tightimad 3bet ranged, seda vähem näed oma equityt turnis/riveris ja ei saa lightilt peelida. Prolly oleks pre fold ausate micronittide vastu.
2. jep, brainfart minupoolt, nagu ütlesin c/c oleks ilmselt kõige safe way.
4. 3b võrdlemisi light seal IMO aga eks seda näeb statist kui kauem mängida veidi. selline 50/50 minu arvates. 9t's selline käsi ka millega õige flopi korral saab stacke, mõte oli selline et tüüp betim siis mina shoven.
AshrakWhite
20.05.15, 22:59
-2 BI, suts alla EV, polnud midagi parata.
http://imageshack.com/a/img903/8427/djAsiM.png
H1:
Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
Button ($6.55) (VPIP 42 PFR 25 AGG 1 hands 11)
SB ($5)
BB ($5.94)
UTG ($5.85)
MP ($4.52)
Hero (CO) ($5.73)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif
UTG raises $0.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.15, Button calls $0.15, 2 folds
Flop: ($0.52) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG bets $0.33, Hero raises $1, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.67
Turn: ($2.52) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $2.20, UTG raises $4.70 (All-In), Hero calls $2.38 (All-In)
River: ($11.68) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $11.68
Results below:
UTG had 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (flush, Jack high).
Hero had 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (three of a kind, sixes).
Outcome: UTG won $11.32
H2:
Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php
Button ($7.74) (VPIP 15 PFR 15 AGG 2 hands 13 )
Hero (SB) ($5.59)
BB ($7.87)
UTG ($8.48)
MP ($5.38)
CO ($5)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif
3 folds, Button raises $0.15, Hero calls $0.13, 1 fold
Flop: ($0.35) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.24, Hero raises $0.70, Button raises $2.70, Hero raises $4.74 (All-In), Button calls $2.50
Turn: ($11.23) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($11.23) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $11.23
Results below:
Button had 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (full house, sixes over sevens).
Hero had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (two pair, Jacks and sevens).
Outcome: Button won $10.76
h3:
Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/
Button ($9.76)
SB ($5.77)
BB ($5.79)
UTG ($5)
Hero (MP) ($8.74)
CO ($5.93)
Preflop: Hero is MP with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif
1 fold, Hero raises $0.15, 1 fold, Button calls $0.15, 2 folds
Flop: ($0.37) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.29, Button calls $0.29
Turn: ($0.95) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.80, Button calls $0.80
River: ($2.55) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1, Hero calls $1
Total pot: $4.55
Results below:
Button had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (straight, Ace high).
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (two pair, Kings and Queens).
Outcome: Button won $4.36
h4:
Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
Button ($7.97)
SB ($11.12)
BB ($5)
UTG ($1.70)
Hero (MP) ($7.52)
CO ($5.11)
Preflop: Hero is MP with 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif
UTG calls $0.05, Hero raises $0.20, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.15
Flop: ($0.47) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $0.31, Hero calls $0.31
Turn: ($1.09) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $0.44, Hero raises $2.40, UTG calls $0.75 (All-In)
River: ($3.47) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $3.47
Results below:
UTG had 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (straight, seven high).
Hero had 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (one pair, eights).
Outcome: UTG won $3.33
trasadonkad
20.05.15, 23:04
postita stattidega
AshrakWhite
21.05.15, 06:41
panin statid juurde sinna kus ei olnud 0 hands. ise olin 34 / 27 ja 574 kätt 16.4 3bet
1. wp
2. kui flopil otsa paneks, siis tsipa rohkem.
3. wp
4. viimane ei meeldi. calliks pigem turni ja re-ev river. pole mõtet oma kätt blufiks pöörata.
AshrakWhite
21.05.15, 10:34
mille peale me riveril foldime? 1.97 pot ja 0.75 taga villainil. 2.6:1 to call vist?
Kolmanda käe river chek meeldib täiega, ise ei oleks vist suutnud seal chekkida :D
Samas esimeses käes donk-call raise flop ja c/r AI turnist on nii obv, et tal on see mast seal olemas. Kui oleks veel aggro stati pealt pasiivne ka siis vist suudaks isegi seti ära foldida. Ei tea kas see on correct liin muidugi, aga ma kohati räme argpüks ka :D Zoomis on see ikka räige jõunäitamine ja bluffi ei näe seal never pmts. Eriti micros.
ei pannud stacki tähele, raiseks floppi juba kindlasti siis.
AshrakWhite
21.05.15, 12:58
Jällegi miks, broadwayd, AQ'd jne asjad jooksevad ära enne commiti, seda pidi mängides jäävad need sisse ning turnil võib-olla barreldavad. raisedes flopil saad stacki sisse ainult halvemas seisus imo.
AshrakWhite
21.05.15, 13:01
Kolmanda käe river chek meeldib täiega, ise ei oleks vist suutnud seal chekkida :D
Samas esimeses käes donk-call raise flop ja c/r AI turnist on nii obv, et tal on see mast seal olemas. Kui oleks veel aggro stati pealt pasiivne ka siis vist suudaks isegi seti ära foldida. Ei tea kas see on correct liin muidugi, aga ma kohati räme argpüks ka :D Zoomis on see ikka räige jõunäitamine ja bluffi ei näe seal never pmts. Eriti micros.
AJ KJ QJ AQ mängivad samamoodi.
Statsid kuluks marjaks ära. Kui mingi eriline donk on vastane, siis vb tõesti paneb enda TP seal nii, aga võetud liini kohaselt mingi regima venna puhul ei usu ma isiklikult elusees, et enda TP seal sisse ajab turnis. VB TP pluss FD veel, aga naked one pairi regular seal ei paugutaks, samuti pasiivne fish mitte.
AshrakWhite
21.05.15, 13:21
nende käte all mõtlesingi TP + one card FD
KQ käes check riveril on okei selle pärast, et jätame agro blufferid sisse ja laseme neil nuppe jagada :)
Vastane limp-callib sinu isot, mis võiks ka suurem olla tegelikult, ta range on suht nõrk. Eriti veel kui donkab flopi. Jammiks rahulikult kõik flopil sisse. Las ta teeb selle vea ja callib 2nd pairi või mingi x drawga ära sind. Liiga palju munne turne võib tulla ja tegemist shortstack fishiga.
AshrakWhite
22.05.15, 00:45
Nii, fuck zoom.
läksin nl 5s 4BI cooleritega alla ja loobusin zoomist, istusin 4ja NL10 standard lauda ja +0.8 BI. jätkan seal, kuidagi loogilisem, et ei ole kõigil pidevalt nuts.
NL10 terminites lõpoetasin päeva -1.6 BI
Oskab keegi mingit head table select artiklit / kirjutist pakkuda? Cele rääkis midagi "Pastilaa meetodist" :)
Pole erilist kirjutist vaja imo. Ära istu lauda kus pole fishe, samuti lahku lauast kui fish on bustoks tehtud. Soovitatavalt sebi 2 fishiga laudu. Märgista vastaseid, vaata players per flop % kui tableselectid.
Otsi laudu kus istuvad kahtlase stäkiga vennad, mängivad tabletiga, hide from search pole peal jne. Sellised peamised fishide tundemärgid. Mängivad 1-2 lauda korraga.
Oskab keegi mingit head table select artiklit / kirjutist pakkuda? Cele rääkis midagi "Pastilaa meetodist" :)
mingit pastilaa meetodit pole :P. lihtsalt nagu juba mainiti - selecti VÄGA rangelt! vpip vähemalt 35 näiteks kui fish paremal käel ja 40%+ kui vasakul. nii kui fishi lauas pole, siis sitout next bb ja uus laud. ja nii ALATI. üldjuhul lihtsalt tuleb mõelda, kuidas võimalikult palju käsi idiootide vastu mängida ja nii tulebki raha. zoomis vb mängid 95% endasugustega. KORRALIKULT selectides vb 50-50.
AshrakWhite
23.05.15, 22:47
@pastilaa :D
Nii, kuidas ma teema pealkirja ära muudan?
Ja kerge hiiteri laadne asi on ka peale kukkunud + makstakse kinni.
http://imageshack.com/a/img913/7682/VkR4pB.png
Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2716362 (http://www.handconverter.com/hands/2716362)
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CO: $12.97 - VPIP: 28, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 1,2, Hands: 54
BTN: $21.89 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 19, 3B: 16, AF: 1,4, Hands: 209
Hero (SB): $11.42 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 22, 3B: 11, AF: 3,1, Hands: 14566
BB: $10.00 - VPIP: 33, PFR: 22, 3B: 4, AF: 4,6, Hands: 125
UTG: $10.00 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 10, AF: 1,0, Hands: 48
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with Q :diamond: T :diamond:
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.60) 9 :diamond: 8 :heart: 5 :diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, BB raises to $1.08, Hero calls $0.68
Turn: ($2.76) J :diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets $1.90, BB raises to $3.90, Hero raises to $10.04, BB calls $4.72 all in
River: ($20.00) 5 :heart: (2 players - 1 is all in)
Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2716363 (http://www.handconverter.com/hands/2716363)
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MP: $13.18 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 17, 3B: 10, AF: 4,0, Hands: 89
CO: $10.95 - VPIP: 52, PFR: 10, 3B: 9, AF: 3,7, Hands: 21
Hero (BTN): $12.51 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 22, 3B: 11, AF: 3,1, Hands: 14566
SB: $11.40 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 14, 3B: 9, AF: 3,0, Hands: 95
BB: $4.02 - VPIP: 40, PFR: 19, 3B: 0, AF: 2,6, Hands: 52
UTG: $13.12 - VPIP: 35, PFR: 22, 3B: 8, AF: 1,6, Hands: 104
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with 6 :club: 6 :spade:
1 fold, MP raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds
Flop: ($0.75) 6 :heart: 4 :heart: 2 :spade: (2 players)
MP bets $0.54, Hero calls $0.54
Turn: ($1.83) 3 :heart: (2 players)
MP bets $1.40, Hero calls $1.40
River: ($4.63) 3 :spade: (2 players)
MP bets $2.80, Hero raises to $10.27, MP calls $7.47
Liiga nit?:
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CO: $10.00 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 6, 3B: 7, AF: 1,3, Hands: 31
BTN: $10.20 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 1,2, Hands: 275
Hero (SB): $17.18 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 22, 3B: 11, AF: 3,1, Hands: 14566
BB: $6.59 - VPIP: 44, PFR: 23, 3B: 0, AF: 2,5, Hands: 52
UTG: $9.62 - VPIP: 31, PFR: 19, 3B: 7, AF: 3,5, Hands: 26
MP: $10.00 - VPIP: 9, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 34
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with A :heart: T :spade:
UTG raises to $0.30, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.90) T :heart: J :club: A :diamond: (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks
Turn: ($0.90) 9 :club: (3 players)
Hero bets $0.60, BB folds, UTG calls $0.60
River: ($2.10) 5 :club: (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.00, Hero calls $1
trasadonkad
24.05.15, 00:25
1. wp
2. wp
3. leadiks floppi
Jep, kolmanda käe peaks kindlasti leadima, et vastased oma tõmmete equityt realiseerida ei saaks.
AshrakWhite
24.05.15, 10:43
Jep, kolmanda käe peaks kindlasti leadima, et vastased oma tõmmete equityt realiseerida ei saaks.
Leadin ja foldin shove vastu ? Kui call saan jätkan panustamist?
AshrakWhite
24.05.15, 21:08
Räigelt nõme päev täna. -1.7 BI
Palju kuulereid ja üks sakaut.
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Hero (BTN): $10.45 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 22, 3B: 11, AF: 3,1, Hands: 15788
SB: $13.59 - VPIP: 11, PFR: 11, 3B: 13, AF: 2,0, Hands: 28
BB: $14.71 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 21, 3B: 0, AF: 1,0, Hands: 19
UTG: $19.06 - VPIP: 36, PFR: 23, 3B: 10, AF: 4,3, Hands: 61
CO: $7.55 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 19, 3B: 14, AF: 0,0, Hands: 31
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with Q :spade: Q :club:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB raises to $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.70
Flop: ($2.10) 6 :club: 9 :diamond: 2 :heart: (2 players)
SB bets $1.30, Hero calls $1.30
Turn: ($4.70) 2 :club: (2 players)
SB bets $2.95, Hero raises to $8.15, SB calls $5.20
River: ($21.00) 5 :diamond: (2 players)
AA
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BTN: $10.67 - VPIP: 10, PFR: 10, 3B: 8, AF: 0,5, Hands: 30
SB: $10.56 - VPIP: 38, PFR: 30, 3B: 13, AF: 4,0, Hands: 37
BB: $10.33 - VPIP: 46, PFR: 28, 3B: 6, AF: 1,2, Hands: 127
Hero (CO): $10.25 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 22, 3B: 11, AF: 3,1, Hands: 15788
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with Q :diamond: Q :club:
Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BB raises to $0.95, Hero raises to $3.20, BB calls $2.25
Flop: ($6.45) 7 :diamond: J :diamond: 4 :club: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4.60, BB raises to $7.13, Hero calls $2.45 all in
Turn: ($20.55) J :spade: (2 players - 1 is all in)
River: ($20.55) 4 :spade: (2 players - 1 is all in)
JJ
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Hero (BTN): $10.00 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 22, 3B: 11, AF: 3,1, Hands: 15788
SB: $26.17 - VPIP: 55, PFR: 21, 3B: 13, AF: 1,7, Hands: 77
BB: $16.84 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 16, 3B: 5, AF: 2,0, Hands: 55
UTG: $15.56 - VPIP: 28, PFR: 25, 3B: 0, AF: 10,5, Hands: 106
CO: $10.46 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 33
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with J :heart: T :heart:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.90) T :spade: K :spade: 3 :heart: (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.59, Hero calls $0.59, SB calls $0.59
Turn: ($2.67) Q :heart: (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $9.11, SB calls $9.11, BB folds
River: ($20.89) A :heart: (2 players)
Final Pot: $20.89
Hero shows J :heart: T :heart:
SB shows A :club: J :spade:
Hero wins $19.95
(Rake: $0.94)
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Hero (UTG): $22.50 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 22, 3B: 11, AF: 3,1, Hands: 15788
CO: $10.50 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 22, 3B: 7, AF: 4,0, Hands: 125
BTN: $10.00 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 13, 3B: 4, AF: 2,3, Hands: 217
SB: $10.00 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 17, 3B: 0, AF: 5,0, Hands: 82
BB: $10.00 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 21, 3B: 13, AF: 3,0, Hands: 24
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with K :spade: 8 :spade:
Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.90) Q :heart: 8 :heart: 8 :diamond: (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.50, Hero raises to $2, SB folds, BB calls $1.50
Turn: ($4.90) 9 :club: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4.00, BB raises to $7.70, Hero folds
Final Pot: $12.90
BB wins $12.32
(Rake: $0.58)
Dat Misclick
Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2716815 (http://www.handconverter.com/hands/2716815)
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UTG: $19.09 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 16, 3B: 8, AF: 3,2, Hands: 100
CO: $26.49 - VPIP: 43, PFR: 2, 3B: 0, AF: 3,7, Hands: 63
BTN: $18.69 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 14, 3B: 0, AF: 1,0, Hands: 57
Hero (SB): $10.05 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 22, 3B: 11, AF: 3,1, Hands: 15788
BB: $4.48 - VPIP: 56, PFR: 15, 3B: 8, AF: 3,0, Hands: 27
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with J :club: A :heart:
UTG raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, CO calls $1.20
Flop: ($3.40) 7 :heart: 3 :spade: J :diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets $2.20, CO raises to $4.80, Hero calls $2.60
Turn: ($13.00) 2 :heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $3.80, Hero calls $3.75 all in
River: ($20.50) 3 :diamond: (2 players - 1 is all in)
Oleks keegi veel nii mänginud?
JTs paneks pool potti
K8 enam voldida ei tohiks
AshrakWhite
25.05.15, 08:19
JTs paneks pool potti
K8 enam voldida ei tohiks
JTs fishi vastu päris okei move ma arvan. igasugu pasaga callitakse maha, see oli kõige halvem mis sai maha callida.
K8 nagu ütlesin misclick, obv shove.
1. wp
2. 4bet sizing tiba suur, paneks 2.40$ kanti.
3. meeldiks turnis 2/3 pot bet.
4. ei foldi never. bet-callin turni. Fold on seal suht räme leak. (panin nüüd tähele et misclick)
5. wp
1. tõstet ei teeks turnis kindlasti. Tuleks vist foldida turnis niti vastu, kuna 3 korda näitab tugevust ja panustab blank lehte suht suurelt turnis.
AshrakWhite
25.05.15, 22:57
Täna jälle räigelt brutaalne sess .... i algus.
Õhtu lõpuks kõik laabus :)
http://imageshack.com/a/img905/183/vcqfGc.png
Juhe nii koos et ei jaksa käsi postitada, proovib homme :)
AshrakWhite
26.05.15, 10:28
H1:
Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2717914 (http://www.handconverter.com/hands/2717914)
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Hero (MP): $11.01 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 22, 3B: 11, AF: 3,1, Hands: 17065
CO: $7.65 - VPIP: 40, PFR: 40, 3B: 50, AF: 1,0, Hands: 10
BTN: $18.35 - VPIP: 31, PFR: 22, 3B: 14, AF: 3,5, Hands: 235
SB: $12.60 - VPIP: 67, PFR: 33, 3B: 50, AF: 5,0, Hands: 3
BB: $10.15 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 10, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 71
UTG: $9.30 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 29, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 7
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with Q :diamond: Q :heart:
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, SB raises to $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.70
Flop: ($2.10) 7 :diamond: 5 :heart: 9 :heart: (2 players)
SB bets $1.10, Hero calls $1.10
Turn: ($4.30) 5 :club: (2 players)
SB bets $10.50, Hero calls $8.91 all in
River: ($22.12) 4 :heart: (2 players - 1 is all in)
H2 fold turn tundub adekvaatne:
Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2717919 (http://www.handconverter.com/hands/2717919)
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BB: $10.00 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 22, 3B: 8, AF: 5,7, Hands: 176
UTG: $21.20 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 16, 3B: 12, AF: 0,5, Hands: 94
MP: $10.56 - VPIP: 33, PFR: 23, 3B: 4, AF: 2,3, Hands: 199
CO: $13.99 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 14, 3B: 11, AF: 0,0, Hands: 70
BTN: $18.04 - VPIP: 11, PFR: 9, 3B: 8, AF: 0,5, Hands: 54
Hero (SB): $10.00 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 22, 3B: 11, AF: 3,1, Hands: 17065
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with 8 :club: 9 :club:
1 fold, MP raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold
Flop: ($0.70) T :club: 9 :diamond: 3 :spade: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.36, Hero calls $0.36
Turn: ($1.42) Q :diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1.10, Hero calls $1.10
River: ($3.62) 8 :diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $2.60, Hero raises to $8.24, MP calls $5.64
H3 QQ Kütame alati nuppe?:
Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2717921 (http://www.handconverter.com/hands/2717921)
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MP: $9.65 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 17, 3B: 2, AF: 1,5, Hands: 113
CO: $16.80 - VPIP: 35, PFR: 23, 3B: 0, AF: 0,6, Hands: 83
BTN: $10.00 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 15, 3B: 8, AF: 1,0, Hands: 87
Hero (SB): $10.00 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 22, 3B: 11, AF: 3,1, Hands: 17065
BB: $10.00 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 10, 3B: 6, AF: 1,5, Hands: 80
UTG: $6.88 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AF: 7,0, Hands: 76
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with Q :club: Q :spade:
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.25, Hero raises to $1.10, BB raises to $1.95, 1 fold, Hero raises to $10, BB calls $8.05
Flop: ($20.25) 9 :heart: 2 :club: 8 :spade: (2 players)
Turn: ($20.25) 6 :spade: (2 players)
River: ($20.25) J :diamond: (2 players)
H4 ... Nice hand sir:
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BB: $10.86 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 22, 3B: 4, AF: 1,2, Hands: 88
UTG: $11.47 - VPIP: 100, PFR: 15, 3B: 6, AF: 2,5, Hands: 33
MP: $10.51 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 11, 3B: 4, AF: 0,0, Hands: 45
CO: $3.65 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 18, 3B: 13, AF: 9,0, Hands: 101
BTN: $16.20 - VPIP: 30, PFR: 21, 3B: 7, AF: 6,0, Hands: 33
Hero (SB): $10.00 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 22, 3B: 11, AF: 3,1, Hands: 17065
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with 9 :club: 9 :spade:
UTG calls $0.10, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, BB calls $0.30, UTG raises to $0.70, Hero calls $0.30, BB calls $0.30
Flop: ($2.10) 2 :club: 3 :diamond: Q :diamond: (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20, BB folds
Turn: ($4.50) 2 :spade: (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60
River: ($5.70) 9 :heart: (2 players)
Hero bets $7.50, UTG calls $7.50
Final Pot: $20.70
UTG shows 9 :diamond: A :diamond:
Hero shows 9 :club: 9 :spade:
Hero wins $19.77
(Rake: $0.93)
H5 as played peaks turnil järgi checkima? või mida me kardame, ainult AJ KJ QJ JT T9 ehk siis võtame nõrgematelt valuet + on võimalus et folditakse:
Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2717926 (http://www.handconverter.com/hands/2717926)
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SB: $10.53 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 1,8, Hands: 244
BB: $11.20 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 9, AF: 1,7, Hands: 61
UTG: $10.00 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 11, AF: 8,0, Hands: 96
MP: $8.80 - VPIP: 47, PFR: 41, 3B: 25, AF: 3,0, Hands: 17
Hero (CO): $18.10 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 22, 3B: 11, AF: 3,1, Hands: 17065
BTN: $11.63 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 11, 3B: 4, AF: 0,4, Hands: 45
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with 8 :club: 9 :club:
1 fold, MP raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds, BB calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.95) J :club: 9 :spade: T :spade: (3 players)
BB checks, MP bets $0.40, Hero raises to $1.50, BB folds, MP calls $1.10
Turn: ($3.95) 3 :diamond: (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $2.00, MP calls $2
River: ($7.95) 7 :diamond: (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $5.10, MP calls $5 all in
Final Pot: $17.95
MP shows J :heart: K :spade:
Hero shows 8 :club: 9 :club:
Hero wins $17.14
(Rake: $0.81)
Ma vaatan, et korralikut oled table selecti käima saanud. Igas lauas mingi kalane vend ikka olemas :) Keep it up!
1. 4bet pre
2. fold turn
3. suht nitine vastane, aga ise ajaks ka sisse ikkagi 100bb
4. wp
5. call flop.
h5.
3betiks fishi positsioonis, et mitte olla regidele face up oma käega.
[QUOTE=mikk2468;614267]1. 4bet pre
Miks QQ-d 4b pre seal?
AshrakWhite
30.05.15, 19:40
Päris ok soojak on.
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H1:
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BB: $10.00 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 12, 3B: 9, AF: 4,0, Hands: 89
UTG: $20.30 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 20, 3B: 13, AF: 3,0, Hands: 170
MP: $9.85 - VPIP: 7, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 14
CO: $7.51 - VPIP: 28, PFR: 20, 3B: 12, AF: 3,3, Hands: 394
BTN: $10.45 - VPIP: 28, PFR: 22, 3B: 17, AF: 1,0, Hands: 18
Hero (SB): $28.63 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 22, 3B: 11, AF: 3,1, Hands: 18668
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with 5 :spade: 5 :diamond:
2 folds, CO raises to $0.35, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.30, 1 fold
Flop: ($0.80) 6 :club: T :club: T :heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50
Turn: ($1.80) 9 :diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.10, Hero calls $1.10
River: ($4.00) 7 :heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.60, Hero calls $2.60
H2:
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CO: $12.24 - VPIP: 35, PFR: 15, 3B: 11, AF: 10,0, Hands: 46
BTN: $21.50 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 20, 3B: 13, AF: 3,0, Hands: 170
SB: $10.35 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 13, 3B: 10, AF: 0,4, Hands: 75
BB: $12.22 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 17, 3B: 8, AF: 0,6, Hands: 132
Hero (UTG): $14.21 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 22, 3B: 11, AF: 3,1, Hands: 18668
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with K :spade: K :club:
Hero raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold
Flop: ($1.30) 8 :diamond: J :heart: 4 :diamond: (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.10, CO calls $1.10, BTN folds, SB folds
Turn: ($3.50) T :club: (2 players)
Hero bets $2.80, CO raises to $10.84, Hero calls $8.04
River: ($25.18) 8 :club: (2 players)
H3:
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Hero (UTG): $27.86 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 22, 3B: 11, AF: 3,1, Hands: 18668
MP: $10.00 - VPIP: 31, PFR: 21, 3B: 10, AF: 2,3, Hands: 196
CO: $5.60 - VPIP: 28, PFR: 20, 3B: 12, AF: 3,3, Hands: 394
BTN: $8.44 - VPIP: 30, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 2,0, Hands: 10
SB: $10.03 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 21, 3B: 12, AF: 3,7, Hands: 253
BB: $5.22 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 1,3, Hands: 61
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with A :club: Q :club:
Hero raises to $0.30, MP raises to $1.05, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.75
Flop: ($2.25) Q :heart: 8 :club: K :diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1.00, Hero calls $1
Turn: ($4.25) 9 :club: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $2.80, Hero ??
1. foldiks turnis readless
2. arvan, et oled turnis taga kindlasti ja foldiks.
3. callin turnis ja riverist oleneb mis edasi.
1. käsi on pigem fold pre. Sul pole positsiooni , enamus flope on check fold. Sellest check callist ei saa aru , laual 3 ülekaarti + fdraw.
AshrakWhite
01.06.15, 18:54
1. käsi on pigem fold pre. Sul pole positsiooni , enamus flope on check fold. Sellest check callist ei saa aru , laual 3 ülekaarti + fdraw.
Mis stove 55 vs tema range equity on?
AshrakWhite
01.06.15, 19:20
arvan et pre fold on pigem halb kuna umbes flip aga flopil / turnil võib alla anda küll.
Vaata Hemist/PTR ist 22-55 preflop call made true , pos sb/bb vs 1 raiser. Ma suht kindel ,et toodab miinust.
Confidence
02.06.15, 10:19
Laua dünaamika loeb. Kui BB on 3betib väga madala frequencyga siis saad callida.
Vaata Hemist/PTR ist 22-55 preflop call made true , pos sb/bb vs 1 raiser. Ma suht kindel ,et toodab miinust.
Thumbs up!
Vaata Hemist/PTR ist 22-55 preflop call made true , pos sb/bb vs 1 raiser. Ma suht kindel ,et toodab miinust.
sb/bb pealt peab vaatama seda, kas kaotab rohkem kui blindi foldides. Ehk siis true winrate oleks lihtsalt vaadata kas w/o blind või siis wr+100 või wr+50 sõltvalt kas bb või sb. Anyway antud käes see flat pre sb pealt vs psb open on täiesti arvestatav leak su winrates, eriti kui vastane mõistab cbettida.
sb/bb pealt peab vaatama seda, kas kaotab rohkem kui blindi foldides. Ehk siis true winrate oleks lihtsalt vaadata kas w/o blind või siis wr+100 või wr+50 sõltvalt kas bb või sb. Anyway antud käes see flat pre sb pealt vs psb open on täiesti arvestatav leak su winrates, eriti kui vastane mõistab cbettida.
Legend teab mida räägib!!!
Legend teab mida räägib!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAj26rVWK14
AshrakWhite
20.06.15, 08:55
eelmise kuu lõpp oli aus
http://i.imgur.com/glfjbRG.png (http://imgur.com/glfjbRG)
selle kuu algus oli karm
http://i.imgur.com/Izjwtuu.png (http://imgur.com/Izjwtuu)
Confidence
20.06.15, 12:52
Selle kuu algus sama aus kui eelmise kuu lõpp :wink2:
AshrakWhite
20.06.15, 15:47
Selle kuu algus sama aus kui eelmise kuu lõpp :wink2:
True, vahepeal ei mänginud, viimased päevad on kasvavas trendis :-)
AshrakWhite
29.06.15, 08:42
Päris karm kuu oli seekord, mida näha ka graafilt, lõpp oli samas ... korralik. Täitsa lõpus spewisin ära retarded kätega 2 BI. Muidu võib rahule jääda, mind-set on veidi paremaks läinud, ei lähe enam räigelt närvi, kõigest kergelt ;)
http://i.imgur.com/vp9RyCQ.png (http://imgur.com/vp9RyCQ)
Võtame uueks kuuks goalid ka äkki mängu, ei hakka nädal per nädal tegema, seda ei suuda enivei jälgida.
järgmise kuu lõpuks võiks:
* VPIP olla väiksem kui 28 ... ilmselt lekitan nii laia rangega veidi palju.
* W$SD olla suurem kui 42
* Käsi rohkem kui 10k
Lisaks nendele mini goalidele, võtaks ette ka kaalulandetamise challenge. jube raske arvestades et järgmine näda on plaanis väike Rooma ots ....
Aga, meetodiks LCHF ja alguspunkt 122.7 KG.
* Esimese kuu target 117 KG
ehk siis 7.7 kg kuus -2 KG nädalas välja arvatud tulev nädal (Rooma, not a chance in hell.)
AshrakWhite
20.10.15, 19:59
See, et postitanud ei tähenda et mänginud ei ole.
ei suuda ma NL10 võita, amazing aga tõsi.
viimased 2 kuud: 15k kätt
Stiil: VPIP: 23 PFR: 19 3B: 8.17 AGG: 3 AGG%: 40 WTSD: 26% W$SD% 44.1
sujuvas 4.4 BB/100 miinuses. kas võiks olla võitev stiil? mis statte veel vaja et diagnoosida kus lekib? Mänguks 6-max
See, et postitanud ei tähenda et mänginud ei ole.
ei suuda ma NL10 võita, amazing aga tõsi.
viimased 2 kuud: 15k kätt
Stiil: VPIP: 23 PFR: 19 3B: 8.17 AGG: 3 AGG%: 40 WTSD: 26% W$SD% 44.1
sujuvas 4.4 BB/100 miinuses. kas võiks olla võitev stiil? mis statte veel vaja et diagnoosida kus lekib? Mänguks 6-max
Sul on hetkel vaja ainult ühte statti: viimased 2 kuud: 15k kätt. see 15K peaks natuke suurem olema.
korrastaja
20.10.15, 23:01
Lol jah, ma kunagi ise whinesin ka siin foorumis, et 10k breakeven mänginud.. vastati seepeale, et osad mängivad 10k kätt ühe päevaga. Seega 15k pealt ei saa järeldusi teha väga. Downer, doomer jne.. mängi rohkem
Kakahirmutis
20.10.15, 23:09
Ei oska 6maxi kohta väga õelda aga ma võtaks 3beti ja agro nats väiksemaks sest et micro :D
nii vähese infoga me su leake üles muidu ei leia ja postita mõned käed , aitame sind :)
lisaks selle, et statid on palju ebaolulisem kui see, mida sa reaalselt lauas teed. enamvähem samade statidega vend võib olla +10bb/100 ja -10bb/100
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