nl400, 3bet KQo SBvCU, range'id jne

[muttaja]

Jube masekas sess oli täna hommikul. Käed kokku ei jooksnud ja kõik ownisid mind, ka antud regular. Olin pärast riveri calli enda peale suht vihane, et oli ikka vaja ära callida, aga tegelikult kas ma saan siin üldse kunagi foldida, kui flopil sellise liini võtan ja mu enda fold to 4bet pole maru kõrge, mis võiks villast mõjutada AA/KK pre flättima?



Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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BB: $987.49 (246.9 bb)
MP: $400 (100 bb)
CO: $400 (100 bb)
BTN: $292.85 (73.2 bb)
Hero (SB): $411.01 (102.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif
MP folds, CO raises to $9.32, BTN folds, Hero raises to $32, BB folds, CO calls $22.68

Flop: ($68) Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $45.64, Hero calls $45.64

Turn: ($159.28) 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $87.71, Hero calls $87.71

River: ($334.70) 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $234.65 and is all-in, Hero calls $234.65

Results: $804 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif
CO showed Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif and won $801.20 ($401.20 net)
Hero showed Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif and lost (-$400 net)

[anatoli grinder]

Olin pärast riveri calli enda peale suht vihane, et oli ikka vaja ära callida



Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools (http://www.holdemmanager.com/) Powered By Holdem Manager (http://www.holdemmanager.com/) - The Ultimate Poker Software (http://www.holdemmanager.com/) Suite.

BB: $987.49 (246.9 bb)
MP: $400 (100 bb)
CO: $400 (100 bb)
BTN: $292.85 (73.2 bb)
Hero (SB): $411.01 (102.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif
MP folds, CO raises to $9.32, BTN folds, Hero raises to $32, BB folds, CO calls $22.68

Flop: ($68) Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $45.64, Hero calls $45.64

Turn: ($159.28) 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $87.71, Hero calls $87.71

River: ($334.70) 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $234.65 and is all-in, Hero calls $234.65

Results: $804 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif
CO showed Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif and won $801.20 ($401.20 net)
Hero showed Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif and lost (-$400 net)

Kui juba sellise liini võtsid , siis enda peale pahane olla on küll imo result oriented. Oleks total air vastas olnud , oleks käsi päevikus olnud ja well played.

[donkament]

siin on imo 2 pidepunkti mille üle tasuks mõelda.
1) hero on oma range vastase silmis defineerinud ja repib (tugevat) showdownvaluet
2) Kui me eeldame, et vastane teab seda, kas ta üritaks meid bluffida?

Võiks lisada ka, et see pole hero top range, millega seda liini võtta, vaid pigem medium/low. Ühesõnaga pane end regi ajju ja mõtle, kui laiaks ta su range selles spotis peab ja sellest saad järeldada, kui tihti ta arvab, et sa suudaks siin piisavalt foldida, et tema jaoks +ev oleks. Pealevaadates suutsin mõelda, et teoorias peaks see fold olema. Reaalsuses ei tea kas suudaks.

[Kaitz20]

Kui vastane ei ole herot mängimas näinud sarnase liiniga AA-QQ, siis ta pigem paneb hero kas nõrga Qx või keskmise pp peale.
Mõni vastane tulistab puusalt kolm barrelit, kui näeb enda ees checki. Minu hinnangul on hero top of his range ja ei peaks riveris foldima. Ei ole ebareaalne vastaselt oodata airi, KQ või mõningatel juhtudel isegi QJ. Hero peaks üle 30% juhtudel showdowni võitma, seega hea call.

[Ajuvaba]

Natuke søltub regist ka, kas ta on kõva 3barreldaja v missitud boardil riveril checkib. Ma ei välistaks et ma riveris 67s, 910s, J10s, AJs, A10s Nuppe ei lykkaks, kuigi tean et sul KQ. Selline spot on suht vastasepōhine. Minu puhul oleks see selline 50:50 koht. Seda strateegiat ma ei poolda, et kui KQ juba 3betid, et siis tuleb riveris callida. Pigem on otsustamise koht turnis. Et mis riveri korral mida eeldad. Tyybil suht head betting sized ka ning sinu jaoks kehv turn. Arvan kokkuvōtteks, et note kirja ja next hand