Kuidas mängida TT,JJ,QQ OOP 3betitud potis?

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Hey..

Kuidas mängida TT,JJ,QQ OOP 3betitud potis?

Pmt keegi raisib, ma TT,JJ,QQ'iga 3betin ja vastane callib. flopis on overpair ja vastane callib mu cbeti. turn blank. mis edasi?

kui vastane on mingi 16/11/3-100 siis ta range peaks olema JJ+,AK nii et peaks lihtsalt c/f ülepaari? või b/f turni et ta ei saaks AK floatida? või c/c et bluffi catchida? c/r?
Millega peaks arvestama kui satud sellisesse situatsiooni? discuss!

paar näidet:
Viimase 70k käe 5 raskemat olukorda PokerStarsi FR NL100s
minu statid: 15/12/4

1)CO ($115)
Button ($122.10)
Hero (SB) ($121.80)
BB ($100)
UTG ($214.40)
UTG+1 ($85.45)
MP1 ($100)
MP2 ($27)
MP3 ($127.55) 22/6/2 - 50

Preflop: Hero is SB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, 2 folds, MP3 bets $3, 2 folds, Hero raises to $12, 2 folds, MP3 calls $9


Flop: ($26) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $18, MP3 calls $18

Turn: ($62) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero ??


2)UTG ($55)
UTG+1 ($100)
MP1 ($31.90)
MP2 ($143.55) 20/5/8 - 40
CO ($103.75)
Button ($191.15)
SB ($232)
Hero (BB) ($187.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif
3 folds, MP2 bets $3, 3 folds, Hero raises to $12, MP2 calls $9

Flop: ($24.50) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $17, MP2 calls $17

Turn: ($58.50) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero ??

3)CO ($100)
Button ($120.95)
Hero (SB) ($109.05)
BB ($60.95)
UTG ($101.50)
MP ($100) 0/0/0 - 0

Preflop: Hero is SB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
1 fold, MP bets $4, 2 folds, Hero raises to $13, 1 fold, MP calls $9

Flop: ($27) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $18, MP calls $18

Turn: ($63) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero ??

4)Button ($106.65) 16/9/1.5 - 300 (fold to PF 3B: 74%)
SB ($135.20)
Hero (BB) ($130.65)
UTG ($41.50)
UTG+1 ($20)
MP1 ($191.55)
MP2 ($103)
CO ($65)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif
5 folds, Button bets $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $13, Button calls $9

Flop: ($26.50) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $15, Button calls $15

Turn: ($56.50) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero ??

5-Tilt)UTG ($116.85)
MP1 ($16.80)
MP2 ($39.75)
CO ($122.75)
Button ($92.70) 0/0/0 - 0
Hero (SB) ($100)
BB ($114.35)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
4 folds, Button bets $3, Hero raises to $12, 1 fold, Button calls $9

Flop: ($25) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $12, Hero calls $12

Turn: ($49) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $24, Hero calls $24

River: ($97) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $44.70 (All-In), Hero ??

[BuildUp]

Kõige pealt sa võiks ise seletada, mis on sinu eesmärk nende käte puhul. Näiteks esimese 2 käe puhul tundub mulle 3bet väga mõttetuna. Kuna mõlemad vastased on pfr nitid, siis miks peaks selliste kättega neid üldse tõstma. Ma calliksin ning teeksin ntks check-raise ohutul flopil või leadiks ise flopis välja. Olenevalt situatsioonist.

3. käsi on selline kaheldava väärtusega, kuna vastasest ei tea absull midagi. Võib turnil checkida ka.

4. käsi laseks turnis ka bulletit endiselt.

5. käsi - see tundub way to eazy. Sa 3betid pf ja flopis checkid. Nagu wtf? ??? ;D Check ei ole paha mõte, aga vastase flop beti peale lajata kohe check-raise otsa ning take the pot.

Edu! ;)

[camu]

FL-is on ranged ja värgid vähe teised, aga ma ütleks oma arvamuse ja kogemuse põhjal 6maxist paar lauset.
Kõik käed muidugi OOP, mis ei ole ka positiivne.


1) Turnis võib pot controli mõttes checki võtta, aga ma läheks broke´i.
2) Pmt sama teema, natuke oleneb vastase beti suurusest ka, äkki saab sealt mingi readi.
3) Sama mis eelmised. Oleneb mis vastane teeb. OOP on maru raske mängida. Äkki õnnestub c/c turn läbi ajada, ning buff catchida riveris?
4) Sama
5) Ma calliks, pole võimatu, et läheb nii lõpuni ka ak, aq-ga. Või oleme väga väga taga.

c/r flop on ka alati võimalus, on vähemalt mingit infot.
c/c line tõttu saaksime turnis vähemalt asja uuesti üle vaadata.

Parandage mu mõtteid, sest 3bet potid on suht raskesti mängitavad paljudele, ma arvan,