tolmuahv
17.06.09, 20:04
Lugu lühidalt järgmine: PartyPoker pakkus 70+140 USDi bonust, cash-out restrictioniga. Punkte on vaja 1300 kokku, seda 45 päeva jooksul. Kuigi läksin alles mõni aeg tagasi NL5 --> NL10 ja olen NL10 alles mõned kümned tuhanded käed mänginud, otsustasin võtta long shoti ja kolida kohe NL25 peale. Enda raha sellel kontol pole sentigi ja kui üritus feilab, s.t. bankroll nulli tiksub, siis pole ka lugu. 8 BI pole küll eriline algus, aga ainus viis, kuidas antud bonus vabastada õigeaegselt. Enda raha ei taha juurde kanda, sest eesmärgid eelmises limiidis on täitmata (mingi bonus offeri pärast enda micros ehitatud bankroll bustoks lasta oleks rumal).
Seega võtsin kätte ja tegin esimesed käed NL25's. Olen seda limiiti ka varem algajana mänginud. Aga siis 1 laud at a time, HEM-st või positsioonist või VPIP-st vms ei teadnud midagi. Ometi suutsin 50 USD depoga päris mitu kuud tiksuda, enne kui raha käest võeti. Tagantjärgi vaatasin, et VPIP>45 ja 3bet>10 jne. Nii muidugi enam ei tahaks :)
Esimese 1500 käe kohta pole mõtet erilist statistikat postitada. Probleem on endiselt vist liigne LAG-stiil. 1500 käe peale 23/17/7.6, Aggro factor 4.2. Üldiselt tundub, et uus limiit konti ei murra, aga mõned suuremad kaotused ei ole lasknud ka kasumit teenida eriti (täna BR=225 USD). Küsingi eilsete suuremate kaotuste kohta arvamust:
1) Vastane on väga aggro (23/17/12.5, aggr factor 6). Mitu ringi järjest tõstis mu button raise 3-betiga välja. Otsustasin vastu hakata:
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com)
UTG ($31.15)
SB ($25.58)
BB ($25)
MP ($14.35)
Hero (Button) ($37.26)
Preflop: Hero is Button with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif
2 folds, Hero bets $1, 1 fold, BB raises $3.25, Hero calls $2.50
Flop: ($7.10) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
BB bets $3.87, Hero raises $9.18, BB raises $17.63 (All-In), Hero calls $12.32
Turn: ($50.10) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($50.10) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $50.10
Results in white below:
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (high card, Ace).
BB had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (one pair, Jacks).
Outcome: BB won $48.10
Mis hetkel oleks võinud midagi teisiti teha? Kas keegi näeb siin üldse pääsu?
2) Sama vastane, kohe ülejärgmine käsi vist. Ilmselgelt natuke tiltis tüübi peale ja üle mängitud olukord. Samas mastitõmbel ei tahtnud aggrole alluda jälle, hiljem riveris top paari maha panna ei raatsinud (eeldasin, et ta betib ükskõik millega ka riveril):
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com)
BB ($30.65)
Button ($25.48)
SB ($48.10)
UTG ($15.16)
Hero (MP) ($24.90)
Preflop: Hero is MP with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif
1 fold, Hero bets $1, 1 fold, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold
Flop: ($2.25) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets $1.57, Hero calls $1.57
Turn: ($5.39) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.84, SB raises $8.32, Hero calls $4.48
River: ($22.03) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets $11.21, Hero calls $11.21
Total pot: $44.45
Results in white below:
SB had 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (four of a kind, sixes).
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (two pair, Queens and sixes).
Outcome: SB won $42.45
Jällegi: Kas turni check oleks pidanud olema nobrainer? Või on siin mõni muu way out?
3) Vastane 55/37 stattidega. Panin ta ATC peale, täielik donk ja midagi ei tahtnud varem maha panna. Eelmine käsi tegi min raise T7o-ga OOP.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com)
BB ($25.35)
MP ($21.85)
Button ($21.88)
UTG ($21.74)
Hero (SB) ($49.17)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, Button bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.40, 1 fold, MP calls $0.25
Flop: ($1.75) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $1.25, 1 fold, Button raises $2.75, Hero calls $1.50
Turn: ($7.25) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $2, Hero raises $6.44, Button calls $4.44
River: ($20.13) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $14.34, Button calls $12.19 (All-In)
Total pot: $44.51
Results in white below:
Button had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (full house, Aces over Queens).
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (three of a kind, Queens).
Outcome: Button won $42.51
Kas oleks pidanud mingi hetk tagasi tõmbama?
4) Laud selline, et igasugust võimalikku ja võimatut saasta calliti maha.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com)
Button ($25)
MP ($21.37)
UTG ($19.16)
CO ($25.56)
SB ($23.75)
Hero (BB) ($25.24)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
UTG bets $1, MP calls $1, 3 folds, Hero raises $3.25, UTG calls $2.50, MP calls $2.50
Flop: ($10.60) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $7.55, 1 fold, MP raises $17.87 (All-In), Hero calls $10.32
Turn: ($46.34) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($46.34) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $46.34
Results in white below:
Hero had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (three of a kind, Jacks).
MP had 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (flush, Jack high).
Outcome: MP won $44.03
Kas keegi näeb flopil muid lahendusi?
Üldiselt usun, et võrdlemisi agressiivne mäng peaks edu tooma, samas 8 BI bankrolliga ei saa väga palju selliseid kaotusi endale lubada. Hetkel 1500 käe peale profit nullilähedane (all-in EV on ca. 50 USD kõrgemal). Samas kui suudaks paar suurt kaotust veel vältida, oleks tulemus igati OK. Oma tavalisest harjumusest bluffida teised potist igal juhul välja, olen proovinud loobuda. Riveril olen teinud ühe suure bluffi, mis tõi ka edu. Aga üritan end parandada ja mitte seda korrata. Showdown winnings endiselt nullis/kergelt negatiivne, Non-showdown winnings positiivne. Seda peab kindlasti parandama.
Seega võtsin kätte ja tegin esimesed käed NL25's. Olen seda limiiti ka varem algajana mänginud. Aga siis 1 laud at a time, HEM-st või positsioonist või VPIP-st vms ei teadnud midagi. Ometi suutsin 50 USD depoga päris mitu kuud tiksuda, enne kui raha käest võeti. Tagantjärgi vaatasin, et VPIP>45 ja 3bet>10 jne. Nii muidugi enam ei tahaks :)
Esimese 1500 käe kohta pole mõtet erilist statistikat postitada. Probleem on endiselt vist liigne LAG-stiil. 1500 käe peale 23/17/7.6, Aggro factor 4.2. Üldiselt tundub, et uus limiit konti ei murra, aga mõned suuremad kaotused ei ole lasknud ka kasumit teenida eriti (täna BR=225 USD). Küsingi eilsete suuremate kaotuste kohta arvamust:
1) Vastane on väga aggro (23/17/12.5, aggr factor 6). Mitu ringi järjest tõstis mu button raise 3-betiga välja. Otsustasin vastu hakata:
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com)
UTG ($31.15)
SB ($25.58)
BB ($25)
MP ($14.35)
Hero (Button) ($37.26)
Preflop: Hero is Button with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif
2 folds, Hero bets $1, 1 fold, BB raises $3.25, Hero calls $2.50
Flop: ($7.10) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
BB bets $3.87, Hero raises $9.18, BB raises $17.63 (All-In), Hero calls $12.32
Turn: ($50.10) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($50.10) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $50.10
Results in white below:
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (high card, Ace).
BB had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (one pair, Jacks).
Outcome: BB won $48.10
Mis hetkel oleks võinud midagi teisiti teha? Kas keegi näeb siin üldse pääsu?
2) Sama vastane, kohe ülejärgmine käsi vist. Ilmselgelt natuke tiltis tüübi peale ja üle mängitud olukord. Samas mastitõmbel ei tahtnud aggrole alluda jälle, hiljem riveris top paari maha panna ei raatsinud (eeldasin, et ta betib ükskõik millega ka riveril):
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com)
BB ($30.65)
Button ($25.48)
SB ($48.10)
UTG ($15.16)
Hero (MP) ($24.90)
Preflop: Hero is MP with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif
1 fold, Hero bets $1, 1 fold, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold
Flop: ($2.25) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets $1.57, Hero calls $1.57
Turn: ($5.39) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.84, SB raises $8.32, Hero calls $4.48
River: ($22.03) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets $11.21, Hero calls $11.21
Total pot: $44.45
Results in white below:
SB had 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (four of a kind, sixes).
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (two pair, Queens and sixes).
Outcome: SB won $42.45
Jällegi: Kas turni check oleks pidanud olema nobrainer? Või on siin mõni muu way out?
3) Vastane 55/37 stattidega. Panin ta ATC peale, täielik donk ja midagi ei tahtnud varem maha panna. Eelmine käsi tegi min raise T7o-ga OOP.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com)
BB ($25.35)
MP ($21.85)
Button ($21.88)
UTG ($21.74)
Hero (SB) ($49.17)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, Button bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.40, 1 fold, MP calls $0.25
Flop: ($1.75) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $1.25, 1 fold, Button raises $2.75, Hero calls $1.50
Turn: ($7.25) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $2, Hero raises $6.44, Button calls $4.44
River: ($20.13) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $14.34, Button calls $12.19 (All-In)
Total pot: $44.51
Results in white below:
Button had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (full house, Aces over Queens).
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (three of a kind, Queens).
Outcome: Button won $42.51
Kas oleks pidanud mingi hetk tagasi tõmbama?
4) Laud selline, et igasugust võimalikku ja võimatut saasta calliti maha.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com)
Button ($25)
MP ($21.37)
UTG ($19.16)
CO ($25.56)
SB ($23.75)
Hero (BB) ($25.24)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
UTG bets $1, MP calls $1, 3 folds, Hero raises $3.25, UTG calls $2.50, MP calls $2.50
Flop: ($10.60) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $7.55, 1 fold, MP raises $17.87 (All-In), Hero calls $10.32
Turn: ($46.34) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($46.34) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $46.34
Results in white below:
Hero had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (three of a kind, Jacks).
MP had 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (flush, Jack high).
Outcome: MP won $44.03
Kas keegi näeb flopil muid lahendusi?
Üldiselt usun, et võrdlemisi agressiivne mäng peaks edu tooma, samas 8 BI bankrolliga ei saa väga palju selliseid kaotusi endale lubada. Hetkel 1500 käe peale profit nullilähedane (all-in EV on ca. 50 USD kõrgemal). Samas kui suudaks paar suurt kaotust veel vältida, oleks tulemus igati OK. Oma tavalisest harjumusest bluffida teised potist igal juhul välja, olen proovinud loobuda. Riveril olen teinud ühe suure bluffi, mis tõi ka edu. Aga üritan end parandada ja mitte seda korrata. Showdown winnings endiselt nullis/kergelt negatiivne, Non-showdown winnings positiivne. Seda peab kindlasti parandama.