NL5 mõned käed vajaks targemate abi. (postflop) volüüm2

[timz0333]

NL5 mõned käed vajaks targemate abi.

panen siia paar kätt, ja kui juurde tuleb panen jälle samasse topicusse.

1.
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saw flop

CO ($0.92)
Button ($6.37)
SB ($5.39)
BB ($3.84)
UTG ($5.50)
MP1 ($5.18)
Hero (MP2) ($5.83)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
UTG bets $0.20, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.20, 4 folds

Flop: ($0.47) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.47) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

River: ($0.87) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $0.70, Hero raises to $1.50, UTG raises to $5.10 (All-In)

Total pot: $3.87

HERO?

2.
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saw flop

MP2 ($5)
CO ($1)
Button ($0.98)
SB ($6.66)
BB ($3.94)
UTG ($5.30)
Hero (MP1) ($5.11)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
1 fold, Hero bets $0.17, MP2 raises to $0.55, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.38

Flop: ($1.17) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, MP2 raises to $1.85, Hero calls $1.35

Turn: ($4.87) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2.10, MP2 raises to $2.60 (All-In), Hero calls $0.50

River: ($10.07) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $10.07 | Rake: $0.67

Tavaline bad biit või halvasti mängitud?

3. Panustamine on kohati väike sest board tundub ohutu, ja ei taha äktsionit tappa kohe.

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saw flop

Button ($6.28)
SB ($6.78)
BB ($0.93)
UTG ($4.80)
MP1 ($5.05)
MP2 ($5)
Hero (CO) ($8.26)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
3 folds, Hero calls $0.05, Button calls $0.05, SB calls $0.03, BB checks

Flop: ($0.20) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.17, Button raises to $0.34, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.17

Turn: ($0.88) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, Button calls $0.50

River: ($1.88) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.33, Button raises to $5.39 (All-In)

Total pot: $4.54


EDIT: Kuidas koos stattidega käsi postidata?

[levis]

Reeglina kui vastas ei ole just LAG maniakaalne mängija, siis ma soovitan AQ käega preflop valida kas 3bet või fold vahel. Me tahame teada, et vastas ei ole monster ning samas võtta initsiatiiv kui vastasel on näiteks pisike paar või kasvõi näiteks AK.

[masterpuppet]

2. käsi, flopis lükka peale vastase re-reisi nupud sisse.

3. käsi ÄRA LIMBI AA pre-flop.

[camu]

1) Ma hoiaks paardund flopil ennast tagasi. Minraise riveris on väga donki, imo oled beat.
2) Nupud läksid sisse, vahet pole. Ma oleks 3bettind floppi!
3) Actioni tapmise jutt on mõttetu. Vastasel kas on või ei ole. Limpimine ei tule kõne allagi preflop. 3bet flop jällegi, kuna tahame suurt potti mängida. Kui endale runner runner masti tõmbas, siis kahju:D

[timz0333]

Saan targemaks
AA limp, et otsa kütta, muidu raisengi kõiki poketeid eest ja tagant.

Igatahes tundub, et räme downswing, AA ja KK kõik leiavad flopist persetäie poisse ja mutte alati, seti vastu imetakse suurem või fullik, fulliku vastu nelik, reast saab neetud riveris ikka flush, 1 kõik kuidas panustan...

Esimeses käes vastasel JJ, enem kui nuppe panin siis arvasin käe ära muidugi.
Teises käes KK jep
Kolmas käsi opponent shows A9 :diamond: sick mu meelest

[timz0333]

Uued ja huvitavad (minu jaoks) käed siis.

1. Flopis minreis läks miss klick:S

FTR Hand History Converter Output (intended for copying and pasting into poker forums!):
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vastane 14/9 89kätt
MP2 ($4.80)
Hero (CO) ($9.04)
Button ($4.57)
SB ($1)
BB ($0.83)
UTG ($5.98)
MP1 ($2.57)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif
UTG calls $0.05, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.19, 2 folds, BB calls $0.14, UTG calls $0.14

Flop: ($0.59) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $0.59, Hero raises to $1.20, 1 fold, UTG raises to $2.40, Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($5.39) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $3.39 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $5.39 | Rake: $0.35

2. Olgu öeldud, et ma ei raise igakord ATs UTGlt teen seda MP2 ja edasi, aga vaja on olla kohati loosem ja miksida. cbet tundus hea, aga turnis oleks tsekkfoldinud kõik peale T ja A
FTR Hand History Converter Output (intended for copying and pasting into poker forums!):
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UTG ($4.84)
Hero (UTG+1) ($8.31)
MP1 ($9.67)
MP2 ($11.54)
CO ($15.93)
Button ($3.04)
SB ($7.45)
BB ($3.51)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
1 fold, Hero bets $0.17, 3 folds, Button calls $0.17, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.41) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.35, Button calls $0.35

Turn: ($1.11) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1, Button calls $1

River: ($3.11) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1.52 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $3.11 | Rake: $0.20

3. 1 võidetud pot ka, et aks on okei?
vastane 19/5 357kätt

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MP3 ($4.95)
CO ($3.64)
Hero (Button) ($5)
SB ($6.69)
BB ($12.64)
UTG ($12.83)
UTG+1 ($5.37)
MP1 ($5.19)
MP2 ($3.27)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif
1 fold, UTG+1 bets $0.17, 3 folds, CO calls $0.17, Hero raises to $0.50, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.33, CO calls $0.33

Flop: ($1.57) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, CO checks, Hero bets $1.30, 1 fold, CO raises to $3.14 (All-In), Hero calls $1.84

Turn: ($7.85) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($7.85) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $7.85 | Rake: $0.52

vastasel A5 ruutud, ulmeliselt palju lükatakse drawdega ikka sisse, ja tõmmatakse kokku.

Parandatud.

[Provoker]

sul kaks korda sama käsi postitatud

[camu]

1) õige
2) shorty vastu on raske, imo olid taga, aga maru palju olid sisse pannud igatahes.
3) õige

[Supsti]

ma arva,aie, et iga kösi Ai minna oleks väga õioge. :heart:

[raidov]

1. käsi flopis pärast tema min raise sinu min raisele all in

[antnx]

Ära miksi seal AT-ga midagi. Kui postflopi skill pole nii tugev siis soovitan ABC-d mängida. Küll nl400 miksid. Praegu mängi kindlalt heade kätega.
AAga pane flopil raha sisse mida sa seal enam callid?

[donkament]

1) turnis standard fold
2)standard play
3) kui limbid AAga nagu mikrodonkid, siis pead oskama seda ka foldida.

1)as played fold, aga tegelikult flopist nuppe kütta on õige
2) turnis vbolla pot control, top paariga pole sellisel boardil mõtet poti liiga suureks ajada
3)standard

[timz0333]

Tänud abilistele.

Nüüd tekkis selline küsimus, et kuidas saada ikkagi paremini tugeva käega rohkem raha sisse, panen mõned käed ja tahaks teada kas oleks mõistlik anda kusagil initsiatiiv ära ja CR või väiksem bet vms. Probleem on see, et ei saa settidega panka suureks kuidagi, vb kohati liiga agresiivselt mängitud. ja kui saan lõpuks rahad sisse, siis olen saanud juba mõnes teises lauas paar bad biiti, ja sess on 2-3 buy ini miinuses.
ja nii juba mitu sessiooni järjest, siis tekib masendus ja hakkan vigu tegema. See tuleb muidugi kõigepealt parandada.

1.
see pole küll parim näide aga ega siin vist muud liini saagi. Ohtlik board.
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UTG+1 ($4.29)
MP1 ($5)
MP2 ($9.92)
CO ($2.50)
Button ($11.38)
SB ($10.15)
Hero (BB) ($10.96)
UTG ($6.71)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif
5 folds, Button calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.17, Button calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.36) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.25, Button raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $1.30, 1 fold

Total pot: $1.36 | Rake: $0.09

Results:
Hero didn't show Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (nothing).
Outcome: Hero won $1.27

2

Tagantjärgi, siis siin ongi juba flopi bet liiga väike.

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BB ($2.50)
Hero (UTG) ($5)
UTG+1 ($20.44)
MP1 ($5.15)
MP2 ($10.64)
CO ($5.03)
Button ($5.05)
SB ($5.72)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
Hero bets $0.17, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.17, 2 folds, Button calls $0.17, SB calls $0.15, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.73) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.45, 3 folds

Total pot: $0.73 | Rake: $0.04

Results:
Hero didn't show Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (nothing).
Outcome: Hero won $0.69

3

Siin hitime turnis suht hästi varjatud 2 paari, kas on õige seda kohe bettida?
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Hero (BB) ($9.78)
UTG ($4.48)
UTG+1 ($6.76)
MP1 ($5.42)
MP2 ($0.98)
CO ($2.12)
Button ($2.50)
SB ($1.38)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
UTG calls $0.05, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.05, 3 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.17) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks

Turn: ($0.17) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $0.17, 2 folds

Total pot: $0.17 | Rake: $0.01

Results:
Hero didn't show 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (nothing).
Outcome: Hero won $0.16

Mnjh, nüüd vaadates pole nagu küll kohta kus slõupleid teha jep.
panen siis suuremad kaotused.

4

Oi jah riverbet on päöris kerisi, lootsin et saan vb tõesti kümnetelt valuet, ei pand teda emanda peale kindlasti, aga nii nuts:D

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Hero (MP2) ($5.58)
CO ($16.03)
Button ($2.89)
SB ($11.08)
BB ($5.12)
UTG ($15.17)
MP1 ($4.99)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
2 folds, Hero bets $0.19, 1 fold, Button calls $0.19, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.45) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.35, Button calls $0.35

Turn: ($1.15) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1, Button calls $1

River: ($3.15) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.85, Button calls $1.35 (All-In)

Total pot: $5.85 | Rake: $0.39

Results:
Button had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (flush, Ace high).
Hero had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (two pair, Jacks and nines).
Outcome: Button won $5.46

5

Et on siin Call mõistlik?

FTR Hand History Converter Output (intended for copying and pasting into poker forums!):
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MP1 ($6.34)
MP2 ($7.97)
MP3 ($0.93)
Hero (CO) ($6.59)
Button ($5.13)
SB ($7.66)
BB ($1.57)
UTG ($1.18)
UTG+1 ($4.70)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
1 fold, UTG+1 bets $0.15, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.15, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.37) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $0.25, Hero raises to $0.75, UTG+1 calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.87) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $1.05, Hero calls $1.05

River: ($3.97) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $1.85, Hero folds

Total pot: $3.97 | Rake: $0.26

Results:
UTG+1 didn't show
Outcome: UTG+1 won $3.71

[donkament]

1)õige, raise vbolla nati suurem.
2)õige
3)õige
4)turnis tuleb alla anda
5)fold preflop, ainult siis callida, kui 2+ callerit on veel järgi sellele tõstele imo. as played flopist juba fold. second pair no kicker pole utg range vastu nuts.