NL2-5 mängijate nurgake

[daljoh]

Kuna siia on foorumisse on tekkinud päris palju uut rahvast ning päris paljud on just alustajad siis mõtlesin, et võiks teha siia sellise väikese nurgakese kus saaks super-micro asju arutada. Ning ei pea suuremate limiitide käte hulgast omi väikseid postitusi taga ajama!

Oodatud siis kõik kes mängivad PL ja/või NL2-5.
Ma küll ei ole mingi reeglite tegija siin foorumis aga mõned sooviks teha siiski.

1 postitus korraga, nagu siin üldiselt kombeks on
Olge head pange oma siia oma converditud käed ning pange need spoilerisse. Kogu asi muutub seeläbi lühemaks ja meil kõigil on vähem üles alla kerimist!
Kindlasti lisage oma postitusele pealkiri....no nagu ikka nt AK ja FD board v midagi sellist. On ülevaatlikum või nii!
Kuu lõpus võiks siia panna ka oma graafikud, see ka selline ülevaatlik asi rohkem.


Kindlasti ootaks siia käte kohta arvamusi ka suuremate limiitide mängijatelt, kes on oma vitsad super-microdes juba saanud ning oskavad soovitusi jagada! :)

Seega kõikide tubade super-micro mehed ühinegem! :D

P.S - Ja kui oleks võimalik stikyks ning boldi siis oleks moderaatoritele üli tänulik!

[0ttt]

Üheskoos suudame microt biitida! 8)

[daljoh]

55 FD flopil, 2 vastast.

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saw flop | saw showdown

SB ($1.80)
BB ($3.61)
UTG ($5.32) 4 kätt
UTG+1 ($1.62) 5 kätt
MP1 ($3.40)
Hero (MP2) ($5)
MP3 ($0.93)
CO ($0.68)
Button ($1.43)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
UTG bets $0.10, UTG+1 raises to $0.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.15, 5 folds, UTG calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.52) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (3 players)
UTG bets $0.05, UTG+1 raises to $0.10, Hero raises to $0.60, UTG calls $0.55, UTG+1 raises to $1.10, Hero calls $0.50, UTG calls $0.50

Turn: ($3.82) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $0.05, Hero raises to $0.40, UTG calls $0.40, UTG+1 calls $0.32 (All-In)

River: ($4.99) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $4.99 | Rake: $0.33
Main pot: $4.93 between UTG, UTG+1 and Hero, won by Hero
Side pot 1: $0.06 between UTG and Hero, won by Hero

Results:
UTG had 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (high card, Ace).
UTG+1 had 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (one pair, tens).
Hero had 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (three of a kind, fives).
Outcome: Hero won $4.66

Viimane check oli enda arvates väga väga halvasti tehtud. Oleks pidanud seal panustama. aga millegi pärast ma ei teinud seda, kartsin äkki alateadvuses suuremat kolmikut

[0ttt]

Paar huvitavat kätt peale -2BI sessi.

Flopped trips 3bet shove
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Hero (SB) ($2.47)
BB ($1.97)
UTG ($0.48)
MP ($1.25)
Button ($2.73)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
3 folds, Button calls $0.01, Hero bets $0.10, Button calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.20) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
Button checks, Hero bets $0.12, Button raises to $0.56, Hero raises to $2.37 (All-In), Button calls $1.81

Turn: ($4.94) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($4.94) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $4.94 | Rake: $0.32

Results below:
Button had 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (flush, Ace high).
Hero had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (three of a kind, Aces).
Outcome: Button won $4.62


TPTK on paired board
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Hero (MP2) ($2)
CO ($1.74)
Button ($0.89)
SB ($1.82)
BB ($2.78)
UTG ($0.72)
UTG+1 ($2)
MP1 ($0.84)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
3 folds, Hero bets $0.08, CO calls $0.06, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.19) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.14, CO calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.47) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.26, CO raises to $0.52, Hero raises to $1.78 (All-In), CO calls $0.99 (All-In)

River: ($3.49) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $3.49 | Rake: $0.23

Results below:
Hero had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (two pair, Jacks and tens).
CO had 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: CO won $3.27

[bauss]

55 FD flopil, 2 vastast.

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saw flop | saw showdown

SB ($1.80)
BB ($3.61)
UTG ($5.32) 4 kätt
UTG+1 ($1.62) 5 kätt
MP1 ($3.40)
Hero (MP2) ($5)
MP3 ($0.93)
CO ($0.68)
Button ($1.43)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
UTG bets $0.10, UTG+1 raises to $0.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.15, 5 folds, UTG calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.52) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (3 players)
UTG bets $0.05, UTG+1 raises to $0.10, Hero raises to $0.60, UTG calls $0.55, UTG+1 raises to $1.10, Hero calls $0.50, UTG calls $0.50

Turn: ($3.82) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $0.05, Hero raises to $0.40, UTG calls $0.40, UTG+1 calls $0.32 (All-In)

River: ($4.99) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $4.99 | Rake: $0.33
Main pot: $4.93 between UTG, UTG+1 and Hero, won by Hero
Side pot 1: $0.06 between UTG and Hero, won by Hero

Results:
UTG had 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (high card, Ace).
UTG+1 had 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (one pair, tens).
Hero had 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (three of a kind, fives).
Outcome: Hero won $4.66

Viimane check oli enda arvates väga väga halvasti tehtud. Oleks pidanud seal panustama. aga millegi pärast ma ei teinud seda, kartsin äkki alateadvuses suuremat kolmikut




Betsizing on küll halb siin ju.
Kui flopi flatid, siis peaksid turnis raudselt nupud sisse saama ja ei oleks seda ??? river checki ka seal.

[daljoh]

Paar huvitavat kätt peale -2BI sessi.

Flopped trips 3bet shove
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Hero (SB) ($2.47)
BB ($1.97)
UTG ($0.48)
MP ($1.25)
Button ($2.73)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
3 folds, Button calls $0.01, Hero bets $0.10, Button calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.20) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
Button checks, Hero bets $0.12, Button raises to $0.56, Hero raises to $2.37 (All-In), Button calls $1.81

Turn: ($4.94) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($4.94) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $4.94 | Rake: $0.32

Results below:
Button had 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (flush, Ace high).
Hero had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (three of a kind, Aces).
Outcome: Button won $4.62


TPTK on paired board
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Hero (MP2) ($2)
CO ($1.74)
Button ($0.89)
SB ($1.82)
BB ($2.78)
UTG ($0.72)
UTG+1 ($2)
MP1 ($0.84)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
3 folds, Hero bets $0.08, CO calls $0.06, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.19) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.14, CO calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.47) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.26, CO raises to $0.52, Hero raises to $1.78 (All-In), CO calls $0.99 (All-In)

River: ($3.49) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $3.49 | Rake: $0.23

Results below:
Hero had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (two pair, Jacks and tens).
CO had 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: CO won $3.27


1. Oleks sama moodi mänginud.
2. Turni reraise oleks callinud ja hoo maha võtnud. Kuna ta flopis callis siis ilmselt millelegi ta sai pihta flopil. Oleks vaadanud mis riveris saab.

[daljoh]

KK FD flop + A riveris
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saw flop | saw showdown

MP2 ($4.68)
CO ($2.57)
Button ($1.85)
SB ($7.81) 17/9/6.3 500 kätt
BB ($5.19)
Hero (UTG) ($5)
MP1 ($5.86)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
Hero bets $0.20, 4 folds, SB calls $0.18, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.45) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.35, SB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.15

Turn: ($3.45) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($3.45) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets $3.45, Hero folds

Total pot: $3.45 | Rake: $0.23
Main pot: $3.45 returned to SB

Results:
SB didn't show
Outcome: SB won $3.22

Kas oleks pidanud flopis 3bet panema?

[0ttt]

KK FD flop + A riveris
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saw flop | saw showdown

MP2 ($4.68)
CO ($2.57)
Button ($1.85)
SB ($7.81) 17/9/6.3 500 kätt
BB ($5.19)
Hero (UTG) ($5)
MP1 ($5.86)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
Hero bets $0.20, 4 folds, SB calls $0.18, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.45) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.35, SB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.15

Turn: ($3.45) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($3.45) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets $3.45, Hero folds

Total pot: $3.45 | Rake: $0.23
Main pot: $3.45 returned to SB

Results:
SB didn't show
Outcome: SB won $3.22

Kas oleks pidanud flopis 3bet panema?

Ise oleks 3bettinud.

[mislinn]

KK FD flop + A riveris
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saw flop | saw showdown

MP2 ($4.68)
CO ($2.57)
Button ($1.85)
SB ($7.81) 17/9/6.3 500 kätt
BB ($5.19)
Hero (UTG) ($5)
MP1 ($5.86)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
Hero bets $0.20, 4 folds, SB calls $0.18, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.45) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.35, SB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.15

Turn: ($3.45) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($3.45) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets $3.45, Hero folds

Total pot: $3.45 | Rake: $0.23
Main pot: $3.45 returned to SB

Results:
SB didn't show
Outcome: SB won $3.22

Kas oleks pidanud flopis 3bet panema?





Flopis raha sisse, vähemalt nii oleks mina teinud.

[Cash87]

Minu arust hästi mängitud :)

Aga mida teeksid kui riveril oleks ohutu kaart? snapcall?

[vapsik]

55 FD flopil, 2 vastast.

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saw flop | saw showdown

SB ($1.80)
BB ($3.61)
UTG ($5.32) 4 kätt
UTG+1 ($1.62) 5 kätt
MP1 ($3.40)
Hero (MP2) ($5)
MP3 ($0.93)
CO ($0.68)
Button ($1.43)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
UTG bets $0.10, UTG+1 raises to $0.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.15, 5 folds, UTG calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.52) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (3 players)
UTG bets $0.05, UTG+1 raises to $0.10, Hero raises to $0.60, UTG calls $0.55, UTG+1 raises to $1.10, Hero calls $0.50, UTG calls $0.50

Turn: ($3.82) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $0.05, Hero raises to $0.40, UTG calls $0.40, UTG+1 calls $0.32 (All-In)

River: ($4.99) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $4.99 | Rake: $0.33
Main pot: $4.93 between UTG, UTG+1 and Hero, won by Hero
Side pot 1: $0.06 between UTG and Hero, won by Hero

Results:
UTG had 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (high card, Ace).
UTG+1 had 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (one pair, tens).
Hero had 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (three of a kind, fives).
Outcome: Hero won $4.66

Viimane check oli enda arvates väga väga halvasti tehtud. Oleks pidanud seal panustama. aga millegi pärast ma ei teinud seda, kartsin äkki alateadvuses suuremat kolmikut





Panusta suuremalt, Sul on väga hea käsi ning odavalt ei tasu neile järgmist kaarti anda, sest maas on palju tõmbeid. Ma paneks juba flopil vähemalt paarkümmend senti rohkem.
Turnil tasuks ka rohkem panna üle 3$ isegi vist veits. Riveril võiks vähemalt väikse valuebetti panna, (kuskil pool potti ehk) sest masti kohale ei jõudnud.

[vapsik]

Paar huvitavat kätt peale -2BI sessi.

Flopped trips 3bet shove
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Hero (SB) ($2.47)
BB ($1.97)
UTG ($0.48)
MP ($1.25)
Button ($2.73)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
3 folds, Button calls $0.01, Hero bets $0.10, Button calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.20) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
Button checks, Hero bets $0.12, Button raises to $0.56, Hero raises to $2.37 (All-In), Button calls $1.81

Turn: ($4.94) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($4.94) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $4.94 | Rake: $0.32

Results below:
Button had 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (flush, Ace high).
Hero had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (three of a kind, Aces).
Outcome: Button won $4.62


TPTK on paired board
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Hero (MP2) ($2)
CO ($1.74)
Button ($0.89)
SB ($1.82)
BB ($2.78)
UTG ($0.72)
UTG+1 ($2)
MP1 ($0.84)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
3 folds, Hero bets $0.08, CO calls $0.06, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.19) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.14, CO calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.47) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.26, CO raises to $0.52, Hero raises to $1.78 (All-In), CO calls $0.99 (All-In)

River: ($3.49) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $3.49 | Rake: $0.23

Results below:
Hero had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (two pair, Jacks and tens).
CO had 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: CO won $3.27






1. käsi on täitsa okei
2. käsi pmst baluga teoreem. väga selline koht ei meeldi, aga kuna vastane sellise väikse stäkiga, siis vist ägiseks ja mängiks samamoodi seal:

2+2-st copypaste Baluga teoreemi kohta:
BelugaWhale Theorem - When you are the preflop raiser and your turn bet is raised or check/raised, it is time to re-evaluate one pair hands.

Reasoning: In raised pots, most players will just call down with one pair (be it pocket pair or top pair) type hands as well as draws. The turn is where most players who flopped a monster stop slowplaying and try to build pot. Or, they raise if they hit their draw.

Application: A raise on the turn is a signal to re-evaluate where you are at. It is not and automatic fold but you need to consider if villain has a monster or just hit his draw.

Reliability: Against fish and bad players in general, with the exception sometimes of LAGs and maniacs, this is a VERY reliably theorem. However, it is also an extremely popular and well known theorem, perhaps the best known. A lot of good players, particularly 2+2 players can try to exploit this theorem, especially by floating. So depending on the player (a decent player who is ALSO capable of making a play) you may need to discount this theorem considerably.

Reference: http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...t=1&PHPSESSID=

[vapsik]

KK FD flop + A riveris
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saw flop | saw showdown

MP2 ($4.68)
CO ($2.57)
Button ($1.85)
SB ($7.81) 17/9/6.3 500 kätt
BB ($5.19)
Hero (UTG) ($5)
MP1 ($5.86)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
Hero bets $0.20, 4 folds, SB calls $0.18, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.45) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.35, SB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.15

Turn: ($3.45) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($3.45) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets $3.45, Hero folds

Total pot: $3.45 | Rake: $0.23
Main pot: $3.45 returned to SB

Results:
SB didn't show
Outcome: SB won $3.22

Kas oleks pidanud flopis 3bet panema?




Ülepaar on selles limiidis ikka suht nuts käsi, ma oleks nupud sisse ajanud flopil, ma usun, et päris paljud kehvemad käed calliks seal. Ülepaarid, ehk isegi mingi TPTK, samuti ka mastitõmbed.

[0ttt]

1. käsi on täitsa okei
2. käsi pmst baluga teoreem. väga selline koht ei meeldi, aga kuna vastane sellise väikse stäkiga, siis vist ägiseks ja mängiks samamoodi seal:

2+2-st copypaste Baluga teoreemi kohta:
BelugaWhale Theorem - When you are the preflop raiser and your turn bet is raised or check/raised, it is time to re-evaluate one pair hands.

Reasoning: In raised pots, most players will just call down with one pair (be it pocket pair or top pair) type hands as well as draws. The turn is where most players who flopped a monster stop slowplaying and try to build pot. Or, they raise if they hit their draw.

Application: A raise on the turn is a signal to re-evaluate where you are at. It is not and automatic fold but you need to consider if villain has a monster or just hit his draw.

Reliability: Against fish and bad players in general, with the exception sometimes of LAGs and maniacs, this is a VERY reliably theorem. However, it is also an extremely popular and well known theorem, perhaps the best known. A lot of good players, particularly 2+2 players can try to exploit this theorem, especially by floating. So depending on the player (a decent player who is ALSO capable of making a play) you may need to discount this theorem considerably.

Reference: http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...t=1&PHPSESSID=


Tänan, väärt lugemine!

[daljoh]

Nagu ma korduvalt olen vist juba öelnud siis kõik Vapsiku kommentaarid/arvustused/nõuanded on NUTS!!!

Peaks tegema mingi värgi, et nt kuu kokku võttes, kes on teinud/andnud ettepanekuid/soovitusi (mis mängu on ka reaalselt parandanud), see saab nt neli metallpurgitäit mõdujooki!

Hetkel juhib seda edetabelit minu jaoks Vapsik. :D

[nikitheone]

Väärt teema on see. Ise üritan praegu ka aru saada NL 5'st ja järgide kõikide soovitusi (ole agro, ära slowplay, väga tight) aga tulemus on kohutav - hetkel olen kaotanud ca 5-6 BI. Ei jaga matsu välja, mis toimub. Üritan end siis veel tightimaks võtta :)

[Staier]

Õigesti mängitud või mitte ???

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MP1 ($2.08)
MP2 ($1.51)
CO ($1.56)
Button ($0.86)
SB ($2.05)
Hero (BB) ($1.97)
UTG ($1.72)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.02, 2 folds, SB calls $0.01, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.08) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.05, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.05, SB raises to $0.12, Hero calls $0.07, MP2 calls $0.07

Turn: ($0.44) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.04, MP2 calls $0.04, 1 fold

River: ($0.52) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.10, MP2 raises to $0.36, Hero calls $0.26

Total pot: $1.24 | Rake: $0.08

Results below:
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (full house, Queens over sixes).
MP2 had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (full house, Queens over Jacks).
Outcome: MP2 won $1.16

[daljoh]

Õigesti mängitud või mitte ???

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MP1 ($2.08)
MP2 ($1.51)
CO ($1.56)
Button ($0.86)
SB ($2.05)
Hero (BB) ($1.97)
UTG ($1.72)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.02, 2 folds, SB calls $0.01, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.08) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.05, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.05, SB raises to $0.12, Hero calls $0.07, MP2 calls $0.07

Turn: ($0.44) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.04, MP2 calls $0.04, 1 fold

River: ($0.52) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.10, MP2 raises to $0.36, Hero calls $0.26

Total pot: $1.24 | Rake: $0.08

Results below:
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (full house, Queens over sixes).
MP2 had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (full house, Queens over Jacks).
Outcome: MP2 won $1.16

Krt ma oleks siin sama moodi mänginud. QJ peale teda pannud ei oleks küll vist. kui sull villaini state oleks oleks ka hea.

[daljoh]

See asi ka veel et kui viitsite pange oma kasutajanimed ka siia.

Ma elan hetkel ainult FTs ja kasutaja on nagu ikka: daljoh

P.S nüüd võite mind leida nl2, kuna nädalavahetusega kukkusin mingi 21$ ja olen alla 75$ piiri, mis oli siis piir et mängida nl5.

[nikitheone]

Ma oleks turnis rohkem pannud. Ebajopp lihtsalt

(ft:kalaniki)

[daljoh]

Eile olid mul vasakul käel. Sa oled ju päris tight niigi :D

[Staier]

FT-s mul kasutajanimi Dexter986,küsiks,mis see villaini state on Räme fish nagu ma olen :)

[daljoh]

Aaaa krt ma vaatasin et sa panid turnis 0.40 :D

Kohe tuleb Vapsik ja ütleb sulle: BET-SIZE, BET-SIZE!!!!

FH, Trips, ja kõik muud asjad - ära slowplay neid. Kui töölt koju saan siis panen enda poolt ka 2 väga õpetlikku näidet.

[nikitheone]

Eile olid mul vasakul käel. Sa oled ju päris tight niigi :D


seda minagi.

oota ma vaatan nüüd üle, kuidas mul sinuga läinud on :P

[daljoh]

FT-s mul kasutajanimi Dexter986,küsiks,mis see villaini state on Räme fish nagu ma olen :)


Villain Stat on siis need asjad kui kasutad Poker Trackerit, Hold Em manageri. Siis kuvatakse statid lauda HUDi abil. Annavad sulle infot vastaste käitumise kohta lauas.
Kui veel ei ole lugenud siis loe läbi see: http://foorum.pokkeriprod.com/index.php/topic,388.0.html

Ja kui sul veel ei ole siis tõmba endale kas PT või HEM trial.

[Staier]

Villain Stat on siis need asjad kui kasutad Poker Trackerit, Hold Em manageri. Siis kuvatakse statid lauda HUDi abil. Annavad sulle infot vastaste käitumise kohta lauas.
Kui veel ei ole lugenud siis loe läbi see: http://foorum.pokkeriprod.com/index.php/topic,388.0.html

Ja kui sul veel ei ole siis tõmba endale kas PT või HEM trial.


Tänud selgitamast :)

[daljoh]

PTV - selleks ma selle nurgakese siia tegingi :D

[vapsik]

Õigesti mängitud või mitte ???

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MP1 ($2.08)
MP2 ($1.51)
CO ($1.56)
Button ($0.86)
SB ($2.05)
Hero (BB) ($1.97)
UTG ($1.72)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.02, 2 folds, SB calls $0.01, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.08) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.05, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.05, SB raises to $0.12, Hero calls $0.07, MP2 calls $0.07

Turn: ($0.44) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.04, MP2 calls $0.04, 1 fold

River: ($0.52) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.10, MP2 raises to $0.36, Hero calls $0.26

Total pot: $1.24 | Rake: $0.08

Results below:
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (full house, Queens over sixes).
MP2 had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (full house, Queens over Jacks).
Outcome: MP2 won $1.16



Mina nii ei oleks mänginud. Flopil oleks kindlasti 3bettinud. Seal callivad Sind paljud halvemad käed (kehvema kickeriga 6-d, J-d ja võib-olla mõni PP). Sellise käega tahan ikka potti kasvatada ning raha riveriks sisse saada. Turnis oleks ka kõvasti rohkem pannud (0,36 vähemalt).

[daljoh]

Saan varsti samasuguse mängukaru pildi panna siia nagu Vapsikul....ainult et FT oma :D

[Staier]

Kuidas selle käe puhul bet sized on ???

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BB ($2.16)
Hero (UTG) ($2.04)
MP1 ($0.20)
MP2 ($2)
CO ($2)
Button ($0.56)
SB ($0.59)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif
Hero bets $0.04, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.04, 1 fold, Button calls $0.04, 1 fold, BB calls $0.02

Flop: ($0.17) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.20, MP2 calls $0.20, 2 folds

Turn: ($0.57) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.36, MP2 calls $0.36

River: ($1.29) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.20, MP2 calls $0.20

Total pot: $1.69 | Rake: $0.11

Results below:
Hero had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (two pair, Kings and fours).
MP2 had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (two pair, tens and fours).
Outcome: Hero won $1.58


PF-liiga vähe? ja riveris oleks pidanud ka rohkem betima?

[K2snakas]

ofc preflop liiga v2he...
aga as played kui callis juba flopi overbeti 2ra siis oleks pidanud turnis kh lajatama potsize beti sisse ja riveril kh kindlasti rohkem!

[daljoh]

Kuidas selle käe puhul bet sized on ???

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BB ($2.16)
Hero (UTG) ($2.04)
MP1 ($0.20)
MP2 ($2)
CO ($2)
Button ($0.56)
SB ($0.59)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif
Hero bets $0.04, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.04, 1 fold, Button calls $0.04, 1 fold, BB calls $0.02

Flop: ($0.17) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.20, MP2 calls $0.20, 2 folds

Turn: ($0.57) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.36, MP2 calls $0.36

River: ($1.29) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.20, MP2 calls $0.20

Total pot: $1.69 | Rake: $0.11

Results below:
Hero had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (two pair, Kings and fours).
MP2 had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (two pair, tens and fours).
Outcome: Hero won $1.58


PF-liiga vähe? ja riveris oleks pidanud ka rohkem betima?


Igale poole natuke juurde, ma oleks pannud u nii:

PF: 0.06
Flop: kuna hittis oma TP siis callis overbeti. aga muidu 90% potist
Riveris oleks ka pannud mingi 80-90%

[Staier]

ofc preflop liiga v2he...
aga as played kui callis juba flopi overbeti 2ra siis oleks pidanud turnis kh lajatama potsize beti sisse ja riveril kh kindlasti rohkem!


Väga hea,enda mõtted liiguvad ka samas suunas :)

[daljoh]

nl2-5 on see AA; KK PF raise selline ülitundlik minu arust. Tahaks nagu valuet saada aga samas ei saa väga suurelt ka panustada. Hammustavad läbi et monster vastas on :D

[Staier]

nl2-5 on see AA; KK PF raise selline ülitundlik minu arust. Tahaks nagu valuet saada aga samas ei saa väga suurelt ka panustada. Hammustavad läbi et monster vastas on :D


Täpselt!

[vapsik]

Kuidas selle käe puhul bet sized on ???

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BB ($2.16)
Hero (UTG) ($2.04)
MP1 ($0.20)
MP2 ($2)
CO ($2)
Button ($0.56)
SB ($0.59)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif
Hero bets $0.04, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.04, 1 fold, Button calls $0.04, 1 fold, BB calls $0.02

Flop: ($0.17) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.20, MP2 calls $0.20, 2 folds

Turn: ($0.57) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.36, MP2 calls $0.36

River: ($1.29) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.20, MP2 calls $0.20

Total pot: $1.69 | Rake: $0.11

Results below:
Hero had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (two pair, Kings and fours).
MP2 had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (two pair, tens and fours).
Outcome: Hero won $1.58


PF-liiga vähe? ja riveris oleks pidanud ka rohkem betima?


PF tasub alati 0,8 panna kui oled esimene tegutseja. Turnis oleks ka natukene rohkem pannud (0,45$ näiteks). Riveris ka rohkem (0,8-0,9$).
Oleks juba pf korraliku raisea pannud ning igal tänaval kuskil 75% potist, siis oleks vastase ilusti riveriks AI saanud. Praegu jäi Sul rohkem kui 1$ raha saamata tema käest.

[donkament]

Kõrini juba nendest mikrodonkidest(donk, sest mikros ABC only ffs), kes oma utg gayraisetud käsi siia topivad. Prf betsize on raske ära õppida???? 4bb+1bb iga limperi eest + 1-2bb oop olemise eest mikros standard. Las fishid maksavad, praegu oled sina see fish, kes 3-4 taala poti asemel võidab 1,5 taalase poti. riveri betsize vale. jesus christ.

[pikk28]

Kõrini juba nendest mikrodonkidest(donk, sest mikros ABC only ffs), kes oma utg gayraisetud käsi siia topivad. Prf betsize on raske ära õppida???? 4bb+1bb iga limperi eest + 1-2bb oop olemise eest mikros standard. Las fishid maksavad, praegu oled sina see fish, kes 3-4 taala poti asemel võidab 1,5 taalase poti. riveri betsize vale. jesus christ.

said kuskil bad beate või? las inimesed arutavad, mida sa räuskad siin? rahulikult võid ka ju õpetada.

[daljoh]

Kõrini juba nendest mikrodonkidest(donk, sest mikros ABC only ffs), kes oma utg gayraisetud käsi siia topivad. Prf betsize on raske ära õppida???? 4bb+1bb iga limperi eest + 1-2bb oop olemise eest mikros standard. Las fishid maksavad, praegu oled sina see fish, kes 3-4 taala poti asemel võidab 1,5 taalase poti. riveri betsize vale. jesus christ.

Ilmselgelt on meil tegemist sündinud pokkerioskajaga kes õpetust ei vaja...

BTW ei pea oma nina siia toppima kui midagi asjaliku öelda ei ole!

[daljoh]

Never Slowplay

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saw flop | saw showdown

UTG+1 ($3.66)
MP1 ($5)
Hero (MP2) ($5)
MP3 ($1)
CO ($5.11)
Button ($5.35)
SB ($1.95)
BB ($4.80)
UTG ($3.19)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
3 folds, Hero bets $0.15, 3 folds, SB calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.45) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, 1 fold

Turn: ($0.75) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, BB raises to $0.80, Hero raises to $2.90, BB raises to $4.50 (All-In), Hero calls $1.60

River: ($9.75) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $9.75 | Rake: $0.65

Results:
BB had 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (full house, eights over Jacks).
Hero had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (three of a kind, Jacks).
Outcome: BB won $9.10

Lihtsalt ei osanud neid 99 oodata

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saw flop | saw showdown

CO ($4.85)
Button ($4.75)
SB ($2.13)
BB ($5.14)
UTG ($4.40)
UTG+1 ($5)
Hero (MP1) ($5.20)
MP2 ($5.74)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif
UTG bets $0.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.60, 2 folds, Button calls $0.60, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.87) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.50, Button calls $1.50, UTG raises to $3.80 (All-In), Hero raises to $4.60 (All-In), Button calls $2.65 (All-In)

Turn: ($13.97) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (3 players, 3 all-in)

River: ($13.97) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (3 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: $13.97 | Rake: $0.93

Results:
Button had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (three of a kind, Aces).
UTG had 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (full house, nines over Aces).
Hero had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (three of a kind, Aces).
Outcome: Button won $0.32, UTG won $12.39, Hero won $0.33

[kivisaba]

esimeses käes pane ikka flopil juurde aga ma arvan et see tulemust ei muuda
as playd turnil paneks ikka ligi poti kui bb chkib sinuni

2. kätt ei tohigi kuskil foldida

[daljoh]

Panin 507 käega nl2's 3,79$ +

Varsti panen mõned huvitavamad käed ka siia. Vaatan enne Saladused ära.

I know I'm SICK :D

[donkament]

Lol?
Ma lihtsalt ütlesin standard micro ABC pokeri prf betsized, et ei tekiks luulusid, nagu oleks KKga prf gayraisemine profitable(ei ole asjakohane?). Viimased käed on juba enam-vähem, viimase käe puhul flopist raise parem, saab riveriks rohkem valuet long runis. Kui juba mingi NL2 ei oska võtta donkidelt max valuet, siis mingi 1bb/100 winratega on ikka väga pikk tee kuhugile kõrgemale. Siin osad käed, mis postitatud on wdf, ma sureks häbist ära, kui keegi saaks teada, et nii mängisin. gl.

[daljoh]

No hard feelings, lihtsalt asja saab ka kenamini vormistada kui sina seda tegid!

aga kui on soovitusi siis on alati oodatud need.

[Staier]

No hard feelings, lihtsalt asja saab ka kenamini vormistada kui sina seda tegid!

aga kui on soovitusi siis on alati oodatud need.


+1

[daljoh]

Miskit moodi väga huvitavalt välja kukkunud käsi
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saw flop | saw showdown

SB ($0.72)
BB ($2.07) 55/27/3 11 kätt
UTG ($2.08)
UTG+1 ($1)
MP1 ($0.71)
MP2 ($0.80)
MP3 ($0.75)
CO ($0.80)
Hero (Button) ($2.89)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, MP1 bets $0.06, MP2 calls $0.04, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.74, 1 fold, BB calls $0.72, 3 folds

Flop: ($1.65) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.32, BB raises to $1.33 (All-In), Hero calls $0.01

Turn: ($4.31) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($4.31) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $4.31 | Rake: $0.28
Main pot: $4.31 between BB and Hero, won by BB

Results:
Hero had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (high card, Ace).
BB had 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (two pair, tens and fours).
Outcome: BB won $4.03

Point oli selles et saaks MP1 ja MP2 välja PF. Aga no mingi vend muidugi callis ja kohe ka connectis

Kuna vastane mängis väga kahtlaselt siis otsustasin riveris callida
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saw flop | saw showdown

Button ($0.28)
SB ($2.11) 50/8/3 12 kätt
Hero (BB) ($2.56)
UTG ($0.95)
UTG+1 ($0.31)
MP1 ($1.90)
MP2 ($2.03)
MP3 ($0.90)
CO ($2.17)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
4 folds, MP3 calls $0.02, 1 fold, Button calls $0.02, SB calls $0.01, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.08) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (4 players)
SB bets $0.04, Hero calls $0.04, 2 folds

Turn: ($0.16) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.11, SB calls $0.11

River: ($0.38) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

Total pot: $0.78 | Rake: $0.05
Main pot: $0.78 between SB and Hero, won by SB

Results:
SB had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (flush, Ace high).
Hero had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (flush, King high).
Outcome: SB won $0.73
Siin oleks pushima pidanud eks!'
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saw flop | saw showdown

MP1 ($0.78)
MP2 ($0.54) 19/10/inf 31 kätt
MP3 ($2.78)
CO ($0.40)
Button ($2.29)
SB ($0.80)
BB ($0.38)
Hero (UTG) ($6.05)
UTG+1 ($0.78)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
Hero bets $0.07, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.24, 6 folds

Total pot: $0.17 | Rake: $0
Main pot: $0.17 returned to MP2

Results:
MP2 didn't show
Outcome: MP2 won $0.17

[vapsik]

Miskit moodi väga huvitavalt välja kukkunud käsi
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saw flop | saw showdown

SB ($0.72)
BB ($2.07) 55/27/3 11 kätt
UTG ($2.08)
UTG+1 ($1)
MP1 ($0.71)
MP2 ($0.80)
MP3 ($0.75)
CO ($0.80)
Hero (Button) ($2.89)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, MP1 bets $0.06, MP2 calls $0.04, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.74, 1 fold, BB calls $0.72, 3 folds

Flop: ($1.65) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.32, BB raises to $1.33 (All-In), Hero calls $0.01

Turn: ($4.31) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($4.31) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $4.31 | Rake: $0.28
Main pot: $4.31 between BB and Hero, won by BB

Results:
Hero had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (high card, Ace).
BB had 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (two pair, tens and fours).
Outcome: BB won $4.03

Point oli selles et saaks MP1 ja MP2 välja PF. Aga no mingi vend muidugi callis ja kohe ka connectis

Kuna vastane mängis väga kahtlaselt siis otsustasin riveris callida
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saw flop | saw showdown

Button ($0.28)
SB ($2.11) 50/8/3 12 kätt
Hero (BB) ($2.56)
UTG ($0.95)
UTG+1 ($0.31)
MP1 ($1.90)
MP2 ($2.03)
MP3 ($0.90)
CO ($2.17)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
4 folds, MP3 calls $0.02, 1 fold, Button calls $0.02, SB calls $0.01, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.08) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (4 players)
SB bets $0.04, Hero calls $0.04, 2 folds

Turn: ($0.16) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.11, SB calls $0.11

River: ($0.38) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

Total pot: $0.78 | Rake: $0.05
Main pot: $0.78 between SB and Hero, won by SB

Results:
SB had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (flush, Ace high).
Hero had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (flush, King high).
Outcome: SB won $0.73
Siin oleks pushima pidanud eks!'
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saw flop | saw showdown

MP1 ($0.78)
MP2 ($0.54) 19/10/inf 31 kätt
MP3 ($2.78)
CO ($0.40)
Button ($2.29)
SB ($0.80)
BB ($0.38)
Hero (UTG) ($6.05)
UTG+1 ($0.78)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
Hero bets $0.07, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.24, 6 folds

Total pot: $0.17 | Rake: $0
Main pot: $0.17 returned to MP2

Results:
MP2 didn't show
Outcome: MP2 won $0.17




3. käsi: Fold pole hull, aga sealt lauast peaks kiiresti jalga laskma, sest sealt on liiga palju shorte.

[daljoh]

Seda küll jah...panin kuule laual korraga ja tegin veel midagi muud siis vist jäi kahe silma vahele see tõik
:D

Püüan parandada end

[masterpuppet]

Miskit moodi väga huvitavalt välja kukkunud käsi
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saw flop | saw showdown

SB ($0.72)
BB ($2.07) 55/27/3 11 kätt
UTG ($2.08)
UTG+1 ($1)
MP1 ($0.71)
MP2 ($0.80)
MP3 ($0.75)
CO ($0.80)
Hero (Button) ($2.89)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, MP1 bets $0.06, MP2 calls $0.04, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.74, 1 fold, BB calls $0.72, 3 folds

Flop: ($1.65) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.32, BB raises to $1.33 (All-In), Hero calls $0.01

Turn: ($4.31) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($4.31) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $4.31 | Rake: $0.28
Main pot: $4.31 between BB and Hero, won by BB

Results:
Hero had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (high card, Ace).
BB had 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (two pair, tens and fours).
Outcome: BB won $4.03

Point oli selles et saaks MP1 ja MP2 välja PF. Aga no mingi vend muidugi callis ja kohe ka connectis

Kuna vastane mängis väga kahtlaselt siis otsustasin riveris callida
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saw flop | saw showdown

Button ($0.28)
SB ($2.11) 50/8/3 12 kätt
Hero (BB) ($2.56)
UTG ($0.95)
UTG+1 ($0.31)
MP1 ($1.90)
MP2 ($2.03)
MP3 ($0.90)
CO ($2.17)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
4 folds, MP3 calls $0.02, 1 fold, Button calls $0.02, SB calls $0.01, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.08) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (4 players)
SB bets $0.04, Hero calls $0.04, 2 folds

Turn: ($0.16) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.11, SB calls $0.11

River: ($0.38) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

Total pot: $0.78 | Rake: $0.05
Main pot: $0.78 between SB and Hero, won by SB

Results:
SB had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (flush, Ace high).
Hero had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (flush, King high).
Outcome: SB won $0.73
Siin oleks pushima pidanud eks!'
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saw flop | saw showdown

MP1 ($0.78)
MP2 ($0.54) 19/10/inf 31 kätt
MP3 ($2.78)
CO ($0.40)
Button ($2.29)
SB ($0.80)
BB ($0.38)
Hero (UTG) ($6.05)
UTG+1 ($0.78)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
Hero bets $0.07, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.24, 6 folds

Total pot: $0.17 | Rake: $0
Main pot: $0.17 returned to MP2

Results:
MP2 didn't show
Outcome: MP2 won $0.17





Whaa? Miks sa peaksid esimeses käes üritama kedagi välja pressida preflopis? Sa oeld positsioonis, sul on korralik käsi, millega flopile minna ning vastased ei ole ka supershortid? Miks on vaja oma elu nii lihtsas limiidis ülemõtlemisega raskeks teha?

[daljoh]

Point oli selles et MP1 ja MP2 tavaline liigutus oli call PF ja shove flop. ja seda suht any flopiga.

[daljoh]

Micro mängijatele kohustuslik kirjandus ma arvan....
Kes ei ole lugenud seda siis viimane aeg!

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69/micro-stakes-pl-nl/unl-archives-memorable-strategy-threads-430489/

[Staier]

Palun seletage,mida ma oleks pidanud tegema,et rohkem valuet saada?

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Button ($2.69)
SB ($2)
BB ($2)
Hero (UTG) ($1.24)
UTG+1 ($1.78)
MP1 ($1.36)
MP2 ($3.32)
CO ($2.01)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif
Hero calls $0.02, UTG+1 calls $0.02, 2 folds, CO calls $0.02, 2 folds, BB checks

Flop: ($0.09) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.06, 1 fold, CO calls $0.06, 1 fold

Turn: ($0.21) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.10, CO calls $0.10

River: ($0.41) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.06 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: $0.41 | Rake: $0.02

Results below:
Hero didn't show 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (nothing).
Outcome: Hero won $0.39


Kas teie oleksite SB bet-i peale callinud,raisinud?

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UTG ($2.05)
MP1 ($0.37)
MP2 ($1.34)
CO ($0.95)
Hero (Button) ($2.04)
SB ($1.83)
BB ($0.92)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
2 folds, MP2 calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.10, SB calls $0.09, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.32) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB bets $0.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.94 (All-In), SB calls $1.53 (All-In)

Turn: ($3.78) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($3.78) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $3.78 | Rake: $0.25

Results below:
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (one pair, Queens).
SB had 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (one pair, eights).
Outcome: Hero won $3.53

[daljoh]

Palun seletage,mida ma oleks pidanud tegema,et rohkem valuet saada?

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Button ($2.69)
SB ($2)
BB ($2)
Hero (UTG) ($1.24)
UTG+1 ($1.78)
MP1 ($1.36)
MP2 ($3.32)
CO ($2.01)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif
Hero calls $0.02, UTG+1 calls $0.02, 2 folds, CO calls $0.02, 2 folds, BB checks

Flop: ($0.09) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.06, 1 fold, CO calls $0.06, 1 fold

Turn: ($0.21) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.10, CO calls $0.10

River: ($0.41) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.06 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: $0.41 | Rake: $0.02

Results below:
Hero didn't show 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (nothing).
Outcome: Hero won $0.39


Kas teie oleksite SB bet-i peale callinud,raisinud?

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UTG ($2.05)
MP1 ($0.37)
MP2 ($1.34)
CO ($0.95)
Hero (Button) ($2.04)
SB ($1.83)
BB ($0.92)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
2 folds, MP2 calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.10, SB calls $0.09, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.32) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB bets $0.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.94 (All-In), SB calls $1.53 (All-In)

Turn: ($3.78) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($3.78) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $3.78 | Rake: $0.25

Results below:
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (one pair, Queens).
SB had 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (one pair, eights).
Outcome: Hero won $3.53




1. Turni bet way to small. Seal lükka julgelt mingi 0.17-19c. Ja see riveri all in on ka natuke üle pingutatud.
2. Iga kell! :D vbl poleks all in lükanud aga mingi 1,2 ikka ja siis kui oleks saanud 4beti siis all in.

[vapsik]

Palun seletage,mida ma oleks pidanud tegema,et rohkem valuet saada?

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Button ($2.69)
SB ($2)
BB ($2)
Hero (UTG) ($1.24)
UTG+1 ($1.78)
MP1 ($1.36)
MP2 ($3.32)
CO ($2.01)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif
Hero calls $0.02, UTG+1 calls $0.02, 2 folds, CO calls $0.02, 2 folds, BB checks

Flop: ($0.09) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.06, 1 fold, CO calls $0.06, 1 fold

Turn: ($0.21) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.10, CO calls $0.10

River: ($0.41) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.06 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: $0.41 | Rake: $0.02

Results below:
Hero didn't show 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (nothing).
Outcome: Hero won $0.39


Kas teie oleksite SB bet-i peale callinud,raisinud?

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UTG ($2.05)
MP1 ($0.37)
MP2 ($1.34)
CO ($0.95)
Hero (Button) ($2.04)
SB ($1.83)
BB ($0.92)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
2 folds, MP2 calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.10, SB calls $0.09, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.32) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB bets $0.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.94 (All-In), SB calls $1.53 (All-In)

Turn: ($3.78) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($3.78) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $3.78 | Rake: $0.25

Results below:
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (one pair, Queens).
SB had 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (one pair, eights).
Outcome: Hero won $3.53




1. Pf oleks limpimise asemel 0,8 peale tõstnud. Limpides on raske suurt potti mängida. Teiseks: alati mängi fullstäkiga. Oleks vastasel käsi olnud, siis selle pärast oleks kõvasti valuet kaotanud. Turnil paneks rohkem: 0.16 näiteks. Maas on mitmed tõmbed.
Üldiselt ma vaatan, et tihti te panete selliseid pooletoobiseid tõsteid (igasugused bet half pot nupud võiks ära unustada ning betzised tuleks ikka oma peaga pannna). Riveris oleks vähem pannud, kuskil 0,3$. Overbetshove ilmutab arvatavasti ära käed, kus emandat pole ning võtab vastaselt bluffimise võimaluse.

2. Oleks raisenud.

[Staier]

1. Turni bet way to small. Seal lükka julgelt mingi 0.17-19c. Ja see riveri all in on ka natuke üle pingutatud.
2. Iga kell! :D vbl poleks all in lükanud aga mingi 1,2 ikka ja siis kui oleks saanud 4beti siis all in.


1.UTG-lt just väga suurt raise ei tahaks lükkata,ajab teised potist minema :P
2.Päris tihti on siukse bet-i peale vastas KK+,see pärast küsisin :)

[Staier]

1. Pf oleks limpimise asemel 0,8 peale tõstnud. Limpides on raske suurt potti mängida. Teiseks: alati mängi fullstäkiga. Oleks vastasel käsi olnud, siis selle pärast oleks kõvasti valuet kaotanud. Turnil paneks rohkem: 0.16 näiteks. Maas on mitmed tõmbed.
Üldiselt ma vaatan, et tihti te panete selliseid pooletoobiseid tõsteid (igasugused bet half pot nupud võiks ära unustada ning betzised tuleks ikka oma peaga pannna). Riveris oleks vähem pannud, kuskil 0,3$. Overbetshove ilmutab arvatavasti ära käed, kus emandat pole ning võtab vastaselt bluffimise võimaluse.

2. Oleks raisenud.


Et siis põhimõtteliselt tuleks limpimine äraunustada,kas bet,raise,reraise või fold?

[rohelinekonn]

Et siis põhimõtteliselt tuleks limpimine äraunustada,kas bet,raise,reraise või fold?


Jah

[Kodu]

Limbi ainult siis kui ees on eelnevalt vähemalt 2 limparit ja 22-77. Muidu unusta limpimine ära.

[vapsik]

Et siis põhimõtteliselt tuleks limpimine äraunustada,kas bet,raise,reraise või fold?


Eks neid soovitusi on erinevad ning osad inimesed on ka limpimise poolt ning eriti just kõige väiksemate limiitide osades arvavad, et väikeste paaridega limpimine on kasumilik, aga ma pigem soovitaks seda mitte teha.

[rohelinekonn]

Ma ei näe mõtet sellel limiidil mingil limpimisel isegi kui ees on 2 limperit. Hitid seti ja siis on pot 0,08 mis edasi? Poti suureks ajada on raske kui kellegil on tõmbed siis sinu betid callitakse maha (arvestades et sa ei hakka overbette tegema ja lähtud bettide tegemisel ikka poti suurusest).
Ei näe kohe kuidagi mingit kasu mikro limiidis pp limpimisel

[daljoh]

:-X

743 kätt ja -10.07$
Täiesti sick mis toimub. Pm vennad tõmbavad mingid ime outsid kokku ei tea kust. Fipid ka ei pea :-[
Jooksin mitu korda oma KK/QQ vs AA v AK vs AA/KK. Lauast muidugi abi ei olnud.... fuck!

Kaks kõige lollimat calli täna minu poolt!!! Enda peale päris vihane nende pärast!
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saw flop | saw showdown

BB ($0.37)
UTG ($0.54)
UTG+1 ($1.11)
MP1 ($2.10)
MP2 ($2) 24/10/2.5 29 kätt
CO ($0.77)
Button ($1.57)
Hero (SB) ($2.10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif
1 fold, UTG calls $0.02, UTG+1 calls $0.02, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.02, 1 fold, Button calls $0.02, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.10) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (5 players)
Hero bets $0.06, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.06, MP2 calls $0.06, 1 fold

Turn: ($0.28) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks

River: ($0.28) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $0.16, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $1.92 (All-In), Hero calls $1.76

Total pot: $4.12 | Rake: $0.27
Main pot: $4.12 between MP2 and Hero, won by MP2

Results:
Hero had 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (flush, King high).
MP2 had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (flush, Ace high).
Outcome: MP2 won $3.85

Ilmselgelt oleks pidanud aru saama et see overbet midagi head ei saa tähendada!
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saw flop | saw showdown

CO ($0.40)
Button ($3.09)
SB ($3)
BB ($0.75)
Hero (UTG) ($2.65)
UTG+1 ($1.97) 5/1/inf 76 kätt
MP1 ($2.35)
MP2 ($0.39)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
Hero bets $0.09, UTG+1 calls $0.09, 2 folds, CO calls $0.07, 2 folds, BB calls $0.07

Flop: ($0.37) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, UTG+1 calls $0.30, 2 folds

Turn: ($0.97) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

River: ($2.17) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.30, UTG+1 raises to $0.98 (All-In), Hero calls $0.68

Total pot: $4.13 | Rake: $0.27
Main pot: $4.13 between Hero and UTG+1, won by UTG+1

Results:
Hero had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (one pair, Queens).
UTG+1 had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (straight, Ace high).
Outcome: UTG+1 won $3.86
Oleks pidanud stattide järgi aru saama mis mehega tegu ja et laual on kohe monster aga ei

Sellist asja ma ei osanud küll oodata!!!
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saw flop | saw showdown

MP2 ($1.91)
MP3 ($0.89)
CO ($1.31)
Button ($1.01)
SB ($1.45)
Hero (BB) ($2.82)
UTG ($0.96)
UTG+1 ($1.89)
MP1 ($0.67)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, 4 folds, Button calls $0.02, SB calls $0.01, Hero bets $0.10, UTG+1 calls $0.08, 1 fold, SB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.32) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.26, UTG+1 raises to $0.52, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.50, UTG+1 calls $0.98

Turn: ($3.32) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.22 (All-In), UTG+1 calls $0.29 (All-In)

River: ($3.90) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $3.90 | Rake: $0.26
Main pot: $3.90 between Hero and UTG+1, won by UTG+1

Results:
Hero had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (two pair, Aces and Queens).
UTG+1 had 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (three of a kind, eights).
Outcome: UTG+1 won $3.64
Samas flopi reraise oleks pidanud hoiatama küll!

[Staier]

1.Mängu situatsioonis pahatihti ei mõtle kainelt,loodad,et vastasel ple A-d
2.Turni beti peale oleks hakkanud rida kahtlustama
3.Micros TPTK on samas päris tugev käsi,samas jh peale flopi reraise oleks kahte paari vähemalt kahtlustanud

Kõik on puhtalt minu tagasihoidlik arvamus,võin rängalt eksida :)

[daljoh]

1. minu 101% loll otsus.
2. stattide järgi ei saagi tüübil midagi muud ollu kui AK; JJ+. JJ isegi välistaks tegelikult. Pigem QQ+
3. Shit happens. Peale A tulekut ei old enam minu arust midagi teha mul seal. Never ei foldiks micros seda!

[Ahangama]

1. Üldiselt peaks päris väike võimalus olema, et kahel mängijal kaks sama masti kaarti käes?! Siin olukorras ei usu et foldiks.
2. TPTK allinni tavaliselt sellise tight venna vastu ära ei calliks. prooviks riverini välja jõuda ja c/f
3. flopis pigem calliks raisi aga turnis enam foldi ei näeks

[daljoh]

Täiest v****s......

Krt ma ei saa aru milles värk on......ma olen vist täielik debiilik ja arusaamatu pokkeri osas. Kui ikka ei biidi NL2 siis on midagi viga.
1500+ kätt ja -4,22$
ebanormaalne......ma ei saa aru kas asi on minu mänguoskuses või siis selles et õnn ei ole minu poolel

krt mul läheb süda pahaks :-[

[Staier]

Täiest v****s......

Krt ma ei saa aru milles värk on......ma olen vist täielik debiilik ja arusaamatu pokkeri osas. Kui ikka ei biidi NL2 siis on midagi viga.
1500+ kätt ja -4,22$
ebanormaalne......ma ei saa aru kas asi on minu mänguoskuses või siis selles et õnn ei ole minu poolel

krt mul läheb süda pahaks :-[


Welcome to the club ;D

[KeRRRt]

Welcome to the club ;D

lisaks ennast ka siia
ennem ei hakka üldse kõrgemale minema ka, kui nl2'hte plussi ei saa.
see ei ole normaalne.
ja no preflop all in'idest on mõttetu rääkida. pole oma mäletamist mööda ühtegi AKs või AKo flipi võitnud.
ma pole pihtagi saanud.

eks ma nv. üritan mingid käed otsida vms. et milles võib viga olla. koos peaks ikka biitima hakkama seda nl2'hte :D

[Staier]

lisaks ennast ka siia
ennem ei hakka üldse kõrgemale minema ka, kui nl2'hte plussi ei saa.
see ei ole normaalne.
ja no preflop all in'idest on mõttetu rääkida. pole oma mäletamist mööda ühtegi AKs või AKo flipi võitnud.
ma pole pihtagi saanud.

eks ma nv. üritan mingid käed otsida vms. et milles võib viga olla. koos peaks ikka biitima hakkama seda nl2'hte :D


mhm :) Oktoobri lõpp tahaks vähemalt NL 10 olla :)

[Ahangama]

Isiklikult püüan preflopis allinni AKga mitte callida. Shortist fishide vastu vahel tuleb ikka ette aga muidu küll ei.

[KeRRRt]

ma tahaks uuest aastat nl10.
usun et selle ajaga jõuab õppida ikka :D

[Staier]

ma tahaks uuest aastat nl10.
usun et selle ajaga jõuab õppida ikka :D


Tuleb loota,et uuest aastast ültse saab veel pokkerit mängida :P

[Ahangama]

Üks kaval käsi tänasest mängust. Vastas oli fish ja lootisin et ta callib kindlasti sest maja ju lauas. aga näet mis välja tuli.

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Hero (SB) ($8.29)
BB ($5.82)
MP ($9.52)
UTG ($1.91)
CO ($5.34)
Button ($5.08)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
2 folds, CO calls $0.04, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.14, BB calls $0.12, CO calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.48) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks

Turn: ($0.48) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $0.38, BB calls $0.38, 1 fold

River: ($1.24) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero raises to $7.75 (All-In), BB calls $5.28 (All-In)

Total pot: $11.80

Results:
Hero had 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (full house, nines over tens).
BB had 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (four of a kind, fours).
Outcome: BB won $11.21

[daljoh]

Krt ma oleks vist flopis cbeti lasknud. Teades neid vendasid seal siis need võivad callida ükskõik millega.

[nikitheone]

ikka juhtub.
ülehomme üritan siia ka mõne käe ja graafiku postitada.

[daljoh]

Panen ka siis tänasest siia mõned paremad käed.

2pair gone wrong
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saw flop | saw showdown

UTG ($0.81)
UTG+1 ($1.06) 11/2/inf 45 kätt
MP1 ($2.24)
MP2 ($0.36)
MP3 ($1.63)
CO ($0.94)
Button ($0.32)
SB ($0.79)
Hero (BB) ($2.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.02, 3 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.07) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $0.06, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.06

Turn: ($0.19) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.13, MP3 calls $0.13

River: ($0.45) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.27, MP3 raises to $0.66, Hero calls $0.39

Total pot: $1.77 | Rake: $0.11
Main pot: $1.77 between MP3 and Hero, won by MP3

Results:
Hero had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (two pair, Kings and nines).
MP3 had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (flush, Ace high).
Outcome: MP3 won $1.66

A8s halvasti mängitud
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saw flop | saw showdown

UTG ($2.05)
MP ($2.88)
CO ($1.86)
Button ($0.39)
SB ($0.70) 13/2/inf 47 kätt
Hero (BB) ($4.98)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
4 folds, SB bets $0.06, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.12) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.28) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets $0.28, Hero calls $0.28

River: ($0.84) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets $0.28 (All-In), Hero calls $0.28

Total pot: $1.40 | Rake: $0.09
Main pot: $1.40 between SB and Hero, won by SB

Results:
SB had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (one pair, Aces).
Hero had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (one pair, Aces).
Outcome: SB won $1.31
Selline vahva asi siis
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saw flop | saw showdown

UTG+1 ($1.86)
Hero (MP1) ($2.82)
MP2 ($0.68)
MP3 ($0.68)
CO ($0.37)
Button ($0.53)
SB ($0.23)
BB ($1.94)
UTG ($3.70)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif
2 folds, Hero bets $0.10, MP2 calls $0.10, 5 folds

Flop: ($0.23) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.14, MP2 calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.51) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.18, Hero raises to $2.58 (All-In), MP2 calls $0.26 (All-In)

River: ($1.39) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $1.39 | Rake: $0.09
Main pot: $1.39 between Hero and MP2, won by MP2

Results:
Hero had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (two pair, Queens and Jacks).
MP2 had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (straight, Ace high).
Outcome: MP2 won $1.30
J9 vs 77
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saw flop | saw showdown

SB ($1.21)
BB ($0.65)
UTG ($1.20)
UTG+1 ($3.20)
MP1 ($0.75)
MP2 ($0.85)
CO ($0.52)
Hero (Button) ($2)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
UTG calls $0.02, 3 folds, CO calls $0.02, Hero bets $0.08, SB calls $0.07, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.06, CO raises to $0.52 (All-In), Hero calls $0.44, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.22) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($1.22) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($1.22) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $1.22 | Rake: $0.08
Main pot: $1.22 between CO and Hero, won by CO

Results:
Hero had 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (one pair, sevens).
CO had 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (straight, King high).
Outcome: CO won $1.14

Vaatasin just selle kuu tulemusi ning olen saavutanud maagilised -36$

[Ahangama]

nja tundub, et NL2 pokkerit ei mängita, niisama lahmimine käib. Võta seal oma range poole väiksemaks ja laudu sama palju juurde siis vast läheks paremaks..

[Staier]

nja tundub, et NL2 pokkerit ei mängita, niisama lahmimine käib. Võta seal oma range poole väiksemaks ja laudu sama palju juurde siis vast läheks paremaks..


Jh,ranka preflop tabel ette ja küll mäng minema hakkab :)

[mislinn]

Jh,ranka preflop tabel ette ja küll mäng minema hakkab :)


Minumeelest on ranka preflop tabel liiga lose nl2 jaoks :D, oleks vaja natuke kitsamaks tõmmata...

[0ttt]

Proovi pot-controlli teha. Ei tasu igal tänaval betti lahmida. Näiteks selle A8 mängimisel oleks ma jube ettevaatlik olnud ja 77 PF AI poleks ka läinud.

[daljoh]

1.Mängin tegelikult mitte Ranka tabeli järgi vaid "Tigrano" tabeli järgi. See on natuke tightim tegelikult kui Ranka oma...mina sain selle Tigranolt endalt aga eks see ringleb siin kuskil foorumis ka kindlasti.
2. Sõltuvalt vastastest ning nende eelnevast käitumisest muudan oma range.
3. 77 AI on minu arust shortstacki vastu õige move.
4. A8s line oli tõesti halvasti mängitud aga see oli ilmselt mingisugusest tildist.

Mõtlesin et teen see nädal mingi video...siis saab vaadata ja arutada mu mängu kes viitsib. Aga uurin seda asja veel! Hetkel pole mikrit lihtsalt.

[daljoh]

Täna käin oma selle kuu suurimad kaotatud sessid uuesti üle ja lasen läbi replayeri.

[bubba]

NL2 es QQ ja AK lähete all in preflop tundmatu vastase vastu?

[daljoh]

Sõltub olukorrast....stack, palju mängijaid potis, jne jne

V see oli trikiga küsimus?

[nikitheone]

Oleneb positsioonist ja kas call või ise raise AI. a pmst läheks jah

[daljoh]

Kui oled AK; QQ raise teinud ja siis mingi short (20BB) AI lükkab siis on instacall.

See on jah väga olukorras kinni. Nt 100BB venna calli mõtleks enne.

Siiski pigem AKs kui AKo.

[daljoh]

Mul endal on väike kitsas koht keskmiste pocketite mängimine. 55-99.
Üritan siia õhtul mõned käed ka panna, siis selgitan sinna juurde oma mõttekäiku ka.

[Ahangama]

3. 77 AI on minu arust shortstacki vastu õige move.


shortil ja shortil on ka vahe, kui ta on sss siis seitsmetega pole siin midagi teha. Ei ole kindel ainult kas nl2 seda sss-i viljeletakse.

[daljoh]

Call me stupid but what is sss ???

[nikitheone]

sss - short stack strategy - e. ostetakse lauda sisse vähese bb'dega (nt 20) ja mängitakse suht koht all-in/fold meetodil

[daljoh]

Aaaa ma tean neid vendasid kui Hit n ' run tüübid!

Aga ma ei saa ju kohe kui vend pushib mõelda et ta selline tüüp on. Isegi olen esimese käena saanud AA jne, seega ei saa välistada et tegemist on tavalise SSga ning on saanud suht OK käe

[daljoh]

Nendele sss tüüpidele olen ma muidu note pannud et tegemist on sellise vennaga....või siis miski värvi tag neil

[nikitheone]

BB'lt hititud 2 paari flopis. Mida oleksite teinud flopis? Vastas oli tundmatu vend - 38 käe peale 32/5/4

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saw flop | saw showdown

SB ($1.40)
Hero (BB) ($5.57)
UTG ($1.95)
UTG+1 ($3.38)
MP1 ($5.13)
MP2 ($1.48)
CO ($4.71)
Button ($2.34)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.05, 4 folds, SB calls $0.03, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.15) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.15, 1 fold, SB raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $1, SB raises to $1.35 (All-In), Hero calls $0.35

Turn: ($2.85) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($2.85) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $2.85 | Rake: $0.19

Results below:
SB had 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (full house, threes over nines).
Hero had 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (two pair, nines and threes).
Outcome: SB won $2.66

[daljoh]

BB'lt hititud 2 paari flopis. Mida oleksite teinud flopis? Vastas oli tundmatu vend - 38 käe peale 32/5/4

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saw flop | saw showdown

SB ($1.40)
Hero (BB) ($5.57)
UTG ($1.95)
UTG+1 ($3.38)
MP1 ($5.13)
MP2 ($1.48)
CO ($4.71)
Button ($2.34)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.05, 4 folds, SB calls $0.03, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.15) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.15, 1 fold, SB raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $1, SB raises to $1.35 (All-In), Hero calls $0.35

Turn: ($2.85) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($2.85) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $2.85 | Rake: $0.19

Results below:
SB had 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (full house, threes over nines).
Hero had 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (two pair, nines and threes).
Outcome: SB won $2.66



No 2pair on enamus ajast nuts sellises kohas. Panustamise järgi oleks pannud ta ka seti peale, samas mõni mängib FD sama moodi.
Foldi ei oleks vist leidnud.

[Ahangama]

No 2pair on enamus ajast nuts sellises kohas. Panustamise järgi oleks pannud ta ka seti peale, samas mõni mängib FD sama moodi.
Foldi ei oleks vist leidnud.


ega siin ei olegi midagi teha, võid ju foldida :)

[daljoh]

0.35 on callida ja sa foldiks?

[bauss]

BB'lt hititud 2 paari flopis. Mida oleksite teinud flopis? Vastas oli tundmatu vend - 38 käe peale 32/5/4

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saw flop | saw showdown

SB ($1.40)
Hero (BB) ($5.57)
UTG ($1.95)
UTG+1 ($3.38)
MP1 ($5.13)
MP2 ($1.48)
CO ($4.71)
Button ($2.34)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.05, 4 folds, SB calls $0.03, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.15) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.15, 1 fold, SB raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $1, SB raises to $1.35 (All-In), Hero calls $0.35

Turn: ($2.85) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($2.85) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $2.85 | Rake: $0.19

Results below:
SB had 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (full house, threes over nines).
Hero had 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (two pair, nines and threes).
Outcome: SB won $2.66



insta nuppe, vastasel pole isegi stacki ja võib vabalt flushdrawga lükata

[vapsik]

BB'lt hititud 2 paari flopis. Mida oleksite teinud flopis? Vastas oli tundmatu vend - 38 käe peale 32/5/4

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saw flop | saw showdown

SB ($1.40)
Hero (BB) ($5.57)
UTG ($1.95)
UTG+1 ($3.38)
MP1 ($5.13)
MP2 ($1.48)
CO ($4.71)
Button ($2.34)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.05, 4 folds, SB calls $0.03, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.15) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.15, 1 fold, SB raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $1, SB raises to $1.35 (All-In), Hero calls $0.35

Turn: ($2.85) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($2.85) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $2.85 | Rake: $0.19

Results below:
SB had 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (full house, threes over nines).
Hero had 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (two pair, nines and threes).
Outcome: SB won $2.66




Minraise asemel oleks allini lükanud, aga poleks foldinud isegi siis kui vastasel oleks fullstäkk olnud.

[vapsik]

Panen ka siis tänasest siia mõned paremad käed.

2pair gone wrong
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saw flop | saw showdown

UTG ($0.81)
UTG+1 ($1.06) 11/2/inf 45 kätt
MP1 ($2.24)
MP2 ($0.36)
MP3 ($1.63)
CO ($0.94)
Button ($0.32)
SB ($0.79)
Hero (BB) ($2.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.02, 3 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.07) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $0.06, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.06

Turn: ($0.19) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.13, MP3 calls $0.13

River: ($0.45) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.27, MP3 raises to $0.66, Hero calls $0.39

Total pot: $1.77 | Rake: $0.11
Main pot: $1.77 between MP3 and Hero, won by MP3

Results:
Hero had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (two pair, Kings and nines).
MP3 had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (flush, Ace high).
Outcome: MP3 won $1.66

A8s halvasti mängitud
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saw flop | saw showdown

UTG ($2.05)
MP ($2.88)
CO ($1.86)
Button ($0.39)
SB ($0.70) 13/2/inf 47 kätt
Hero (BB) ($4.98)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
4 folds, SB bets $0.06, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.12) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.28) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets $0.28, Hero calls $0.28

River: ($0.84) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets $0.28 (All-In), Hero calls $0.28

Total pot: $1.40 | Rake: $0.09
Main pot: $1.40 between SB and Hero, won by SB

Results:
SB had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (one pair, Aces).
Hero had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (one pair, Aces).
Outcome: SB won $1.31
Selline vahva asi siis
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saw flop | saw showdown

UTG+1 ($1.86)
Hero (MP1) ($2.82)
MP2 ($0.68)
MP3 ($0.68)
CO ($0.37)
Button ($0.53)
SB ($0.23)
BB ($1.94)
UTG ($3.70)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif
2 folds, Hero bets $0.10, MP2 calls $0.10, 5 folds

Flop: ($0.23) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.14, MP2 calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.51) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.18, Hero raises to $2.58 (All-In), MP2 calls $0.26 (All-In)

River: ($1.39) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $1.39 | Rake: $0.09
Main pot: $1.39 between Hero and MP2, won by MP2

Results:
Hero had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (two pair, Queens and Jacks).
MP2 had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (straight, Ace high).
Outcome: MP2 won $1.30
J9 vs 77
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saw flop | saw showdown

SB ($1.21)
BB ($0.65)
UTG ($1.20)
UTG+1 ($3.20)
MP1 ($0.75)
MP2 ($0.85)
CO ($0.52)
Hero (Button) ($2)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
UTG calls $0.02, 3 folds, CO calls $0.02, Hero bets $0.08, SB calls $0.07, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.06, CO raises to $0.52 (All-In), Hero calls $0.44, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.22) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($1.22) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($1.22) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $1.22 | Rake: $0.08
Main pot: $1.22 between CO and Hero, won by CO

Results:
Hero had 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (one pair, sevens).
CO had 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (straight, King high).
Outcome: CO won $1.14

Vaatasin just selle kuu tulemusi ning olen saavutanud maagilised -36$




Veits vana teema, aga:
3 käsi on kahtlane. Esiteks QJo foldiks MP-t, sest see on kehv käsi, millega tekitad sealt positsioonilt ise jamasid endale ning laud tundub ka kahtlane, sest Sinu taga paistab olevat jube palju shorte olevat. Turnil pane vastane AI, tal nii väike stäkk ning pole mõtet tasuta kaarti anda talle, sest maas on nii masti kui ka reatõmbed.

[nikitheone]

Top pair, medium kicker, K turni. Mida oleks turnis ja riveris teinud?
vastane on 65 käe peale 30/16/4.0.
Ise bettisin riveris, sest ei uskunud, et tal A on ja ta riveri agg on 0.5
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Hero (BB) ($6.58)
UTG ($1.34)
MP1 ($0.90)
MP2 ($4.52)
CO ($5.57)
Button ($6.45)
SB ($6.16)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif
2 folds, MP2 calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05, Button calls $0.05, SB calls $0.03, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.25) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.20, 1 fold, CO calls $0.20, 2 folds

Turn: ($0.65) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.55, Hero calls $0.55

River: ($1.75) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, 1 fold

Total pot: $1.75 | Rake: $0.11

Results below:
Hero didn't show Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (nothing).
Outcome: Hero won $1.64

[vapsik]

65 kätt on vähe, et stattide põhjal mingeid erilisi järeldusi teha, seega ma riveri aggi nii väikse käte arvu puhul ei vaataks. Kui Sa A-d ei uskunud, siis ehk oleks võinud chekkida, et vastaselt bluffi välja meelitada.

[daljoh]

ma küsiks vastu et mille peale sa ta turnis panid...et miks seal check on?
Ja kas riveri bet ei olnud liiga väike?

[daljoh]

33 PF kas call v fold?

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saw flop | saw showdown

MP2 ($0.67)
CO ($2.50) 13/3/1.9 230 kätt
Button ($0.43)
SB ($0.74)
BB ($0.58)
UTG ($1.54)
Hero (MP1) ($2.23)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
1 fold, Hero bets $0.06, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.13, 4 folds

Total pot: $0.15 | Rake: $0
Main pot: $0.15 returned to CO

Results:
CO didn't show
Outcome: CO won $0.15

Vastane küllalt solid vend kes on peale 3beti näidanud AK; TT+. Tavaliselt oli kombeks tal teha korraliku käega min-raise.

[Staier]

33 PF kas call v fold?

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saw flop | saw showdown

MP2 ($0.67)
CO ($2.50) 13/3/1.9 230 kätt
Button ($0.43)
SB ($0.74)
BB ($0.58)
UTG ($1.54)
Hero (MP1) ($2.23)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
1 fold, Hero bets $0.06, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.13, 4 folds

Total pot: $0.15 | Rake: $0
Main pot: $0.15 returned to CO

Results:
CO didn't show
Outcome: CO won $0.15

Vastane küllalt solid vend kes on peale 3beti näidanud AK; TT+. Tavaliselt oli kombeks tal teha korraliku käega min-raise.



Minu jaoks suht insta fold.

[mislinn]

33 PF kas call v fold?

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saw flop | saw showdown

MP2 ($0.67)
CO ($2.50) 13/3/1.9 230 kätt
Button ($0.43)
SB ($0.74)
BB ($0.58)
UTG ($1.54)
Hero (MP1) ($2.23)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
1 fold, Hero bets $0.06, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.13, 4 folds

Total pot: $0.15 | Rake: $0
Main pot: $0.15 returned to CO

Results:
CO didn't show
Outcome: CO won $0.15

Vastane küllalt solid vend kes on peale 3beti näidanud AK; TT+. Tavaliselt oli kombeks tal teha korraliku käega min-raise.



Kui vastane solid ja tead, et tal seal head kaardid, siis ma calliks ja flopil check foldiks kui kolmikut ei hiti, aga kui kolmiku hitid, siis peaksid korralikult välja makstud saama, kui vastase range on nii tight...IMO

[mislinn]

Minu jaoks suht insta fold.


Põhjendad ka miks insta fold?

[Staier]

Põhjendad ka miks insta fold?


Kui sa saad reraise sis minu jaoks madal pocket kindel fold,kui veel vastane solid vend ka,vastane on veel positsioonis ka sinu vastu.

[mislinn]

Kui sa saad reraise sis minu jaoks madal pocket kindel fold,kui veel vastane solid vend ka,vastane on veel positsioonis ka sinu vastu.


Aga see pole ju mingi õige raise sa saad sealt peaaegu 2:1 calli ja solid vastase vastu minumeelest väga hea võimalus setmineda, aga vbl ma siis panen mööda oma mõttega...

[Staier]

Aga see pole ju mingi õige raise sa saad sealt peaaegu 2:1 calli ja solid vastase vastu minumeelest väga hea võimalus setmineda, aga vbl ma siis panen mööda oma mõttega...


IMHO intsa fold...vast keegi targem seletab lahti :),võin rängalt eksida.

[K2snakas]

Aga see pole ju mingi õige raise sa saad sealt peaaegu 2:1 calli ja solid vastase vastu minumeelest väga hea võimalus setmineda, aga vbl ma siis panen mööda oma mõttega...


setmineks oleks kasulik siis kui m6lemad oledks 200bb deep pigem vmt:D

[vapsik]

33 PF kas call v fold?

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saw flop | saw showdown

MP2 ($0.67)
CO ($2.50) 13/3/1.9 230 kätt
Button ($0.43)
SB ($0.74)
BB ($0.58)
UTG ($1.54)
Hero (MP1) ($2.23)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
1 fold, Hero bets $0.06, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.13, 4 folds

Total pot: $0.15 | Rake: $0
Main pot: $0.15 returned to CO

Results:
CO didn't show
Outcome: CO won $0.15

Vastane küllalt solid vend kes on peale 3beti näidanud AK; TT+. Tavaliselt oli kombeks tal teha korraliku käega min-raise.



13/3/1 on räme nit, mitte solid mängija :)
Ma calliks, ei viitsi peent arvutus teha ning kuna ta 3bet sisuliselt min3bet siis calliks.

[mislinn]

13/3/1 on räme nit, mitte solid mängija :)
Ma calliks, ei viitsi peent arvutus teha ning kuna ta 3bet sisuliselt min3bet siis calliks.


No täpselt minu mõte...

[bubba]

ma calliks seal kuni 10bb tavaliselt, kui seti hitid makstakse pms alati välja kõrgema pocketi poolt+ kui AK,AQ vastas on siis tihti mitte pihta saades nad lihtsalt checkivad flopil ja betile foldivad.

EDIT: ups, pms sama jutt juba eelnevalt öeldud, sorri ei pannud tähele.

[daljoh]

13/3/1 on räme nit, mitte solid mängija :)
Ma calliks, ei viitsi peent arvutus teha ning kuna ta 3bet sisuliselt min3bet siis calliks.


No ma ei mõtlenud jah selle mõttest solid mängija et kui "shark". Pigem selles mõttes et prahiga ei mängi :)

Sry et ei täpsustanud!

[nikitheone]

ma küsiks vastu et mille peale sa ta turnis panid...et miks seal check on?
Ja kas riveri bet ei olnud liiga väike?


panin ta suht mitte millegi peale (Kx vms)
riveris ma üritasin näidata, et mul väga kõva käsi - panin midagi valuebeti moodi.

[daljoh]

Turni 3beti peale ei mõelnud?

[nikitheone]

See kah võimalus jap.

[daljoh]

Proovin oma mängust miskise video moodi asja valmis teha :)

Krt tõmbasin endale eile selle camtasia triali....jube kus arvuti lagib kohe....ja seda ilma et oleks FT ja PT3 ja HUDi tööle pannud :D
Kui need ka töötaks siis oleks tuksis kohe vist :-\

[KeRRRt]

nonii. mõtlesin ka, et proovin parem full ringi, mitte 6maxi.
tulemus suurepärane. 300 kätt ja ligikaudu 3buxi plussi.
eks järgmine nädal lähen FR üle.

[donkament]

IMHO intsa fold...vast keegi targem seletab lahti :),võin rängalt eksida.
Kui sa raised prf ja keegi gay3betib ja mõlemad olete üle 100bb, siis on see käsi (insta)call , kuna ta on nii nit, et annab oma ässade/kunnidega valuet kui seti floppad. Minu jaoks on ise avatud potis min3betile foldimine lihtsalt ebakasumlik mäng.

[daljoh]

Täna mängisin oma lemmikut PL....tulemused järgmised siis...
596 kätt ning +8,48$

Peab meeldima!

[0ttt]

Võtsin väikse shot NL5'te ja edu ei olnud. Mul selline tunne et NL2 ja NL5 on FT's nagu öö ja päev. NL5 on palju agressiivsem ja tightim kui NL2.
Üks käsi ka.
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Button ($1)
Hero (SB) ($5.33)
BB ($5.08)
UTG ($5.54)
UTG+1 ($1.17)
MP1 ($1.94)
MP2 ($5)
MP3 ($4.90)
CO ($6.18)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.05, 4 folds, Hero bets $0.25, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.55) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.35, MP1 raises to $0.70, Hero raises to $5.08 (All-In), MP1 calls $0.99 (All-In)

Turn: ($3.93) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($3.93) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $3.93 | Rake: $0.26

Results below:
Hero had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (one pair, Queens).
MP1 had 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (straight, King high).
Outcome: MP1 won $3.67
Shove oli õige lüke?

[mislinn]

Võtsin väikse shot NL5'te ja edu ei olnud. Mul selline tunne et NL2 ja NL5 on FT's nagu öö ja päev. NL5 on palju agressiivsem ja tightim kui NL2.
Üks käsi ka.
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Button ($1)
Hero (SB) ($5.33)
BB ($5.08)
UTG ($5.54)
UTG+1 ($1.17)
MP1 ($1.94)
MP2 ($5)
MP3 ($4.90)
CO ($6.18)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.05, 4 folds, Hero bets $0.25, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.55) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.35, MP1 raises to $0.70, Hero raises to $5.08 (All-In), MP1 calls $0.99 (All-In)

Turn: ($3.93) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($3.93) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $3.93 | Rake: $0.26

Results below:
Hero had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (one pair, Queens).
MP1 had 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (straight, King high).
Outcome: MP1 won $3.67
Shove oli õige lüke?





Ma oleks ka shovenud siin...

[0ttt]

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MP1 ($4.82) 46/8/1.1/52
MP2 ($3.05)
Hero (CO) ($2.03)
Button ($1.14)
SB ($2.32)
BB ($1.17)
UTG ($0.69)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif
1 fold, MP1 calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.10, 3 folds, MP1 calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.23) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.23) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.14, MP1 calls $0.14

River: ($0.51) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.30, MP1 raises to $2.14, Hero calls $1.49 (All-In)

Total pot: $4.09 | Rake: $0.27

Results below:
MP1 had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (four of a kind, Aces).
Hero had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (full house, Aces over Jacks).
Outcome: MP1 won $3.82


Cooler või mängisin ise üle? Oleks pidanud alla andma ja check/fold?

[vapsik]

Riveril oleks võinud järgi chekkida, bettimise pole ka väga häda, aga siis shove peal tasuks foldida kindlasti. Vastabe tundub suht passiivne olema ning ei usu, et ta seal bluffiks ning J ja kehvemate kätega ta arvatavasti lihtsalt calliks seal.

[nikitheone]

Ma ilmselt poleks cbeti ka teinud, sest vastaste statside järgi tundub, et ta ongi selline vend, kellele meeldib ässaga limpida. Ja riveris ma ka poleks pannud, aga kui sa juba paned, siis AI ära callida - ma eitea, ma oleks ikka foldinud.

[0ttt]

Ei suutnud vist uskuda et vennal see viimane A käes. Sisimas lootsin et vennal mingi madal pocket millega ära callib.

[mislinn]

Millised statsid sul lauda kuvatud on, kui küsida tohib?

[0ttt]

vpip/pfr/agg/hands
3bet/steal/fold to cbet/flop cbet

WTSD on puudu, sest sättisin HUD'i kiiruga ülesse. Aga vennal liiga vähe käsi et mingeid põhjapanevaid järeldusi teha ;)

[mislinn]

vpip/pfr/agg/hands
3bet/steal/fold to cbet/flop cbet

WTSD on puudu, sest sättisin HUD'i kiiruga ülesse. Aga vennal liiga vähe käsi et mingeid põhjapanevaid järeldusi teha ;)


tänud

[nikitheone]

Kuda oleksite neid käsi mänginud?
1.vastase kohta info peaaegu puudub - 28 kätt 44/11/4.7
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CO ($1)
Button ($5.84)
SB ($6.01)
Hero (BB) ($5.02)
UTG ($15.25)
MP1 ($4.98)
MP2 ($0.90)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif
2 folds, MP2 calls $0.05, 2 folds, SB calls $0.03, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.15) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (3 players)
SB bets $0.15, Hero raises to $0.35, MP2 calls $0.35, SB calls $0.20

Turn: ($1.20) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20, 1 fold

River: ($3.60) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets $4.41 (All-In), Hero calls $3.42 (All-In)

Total pot: $10.44 | Rake: $0.69

Results below:
SB had 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (full house, nines over fours).
Hero had 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (full house, fours over sevens).
Outcome: SB won $9.75



2.kas oleks siin saanud kuskil maha panna?vastase kohta samuti info puudub - ainult 7 kätt.
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MP2 ($1)
CO ($1.90)
Button ($4.93)
SB ($7.01)
BB ($7.05)
UTG ($5.05)
Hero (MP1) ($5.02)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
1 fold, Hero bets $0.20, 2 folds, Button calls $0.20, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.47) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.35, Button calls $0.35

Turn: ($1.17) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.15, Hero raises to $0.55, Button raises to $0.95, Hero calls $0.40

River: ($3.07) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1.80, Hero calls $1.80

Total pot: $6.67 | Rake: $0.44

Results below:
Button had 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (full house, tens over eights).
Hero had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (two pair, Kings and eights).
Outcome: Button won $6.23


3. ja seda kätt?
vastase kohta jätkuvalt info puudub -24 käe peale 21/4/inf
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MP1 ($2.60)
MP2 ($0.97)
CO ($5.16)
Hero (Button) ($4.95)
SB ($0.95)
BB ($10.98)
UTG ($2.90)
UTG+1 ($5.29)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
3 folds, MP2 bets $0.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.15, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.37) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25

Turn: ($0.87) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.87) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
MP2 bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

Total pot: $1.37 | Rake: $0.09

Results below:
Hero had 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (two pair, Queens and tens).
MP2 had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (three of a kind, Queens).
Outcome: MP2 won $1.28

[daljoh]

1. Flop bet way too smaal. Oleks tõstnud seal rahulikult mingi 0.60. Turnis reraise.
2. Pm ma foldi vist ei leia...nad mängivadki oma sette niimoodi. Mulle on ka mitu korda niimoodi pähe tõmmatud
3. Pf oleks teinud 3Beti teinud. tglt ei tea ka...mul see pocketite mängimine ei ole kõige tugevam koht. Ja riveris ma oleks foldninud
Arvestades et sa omad pos. siis oleks ikka jah 3beti teinud pf

[Ermii]

Mida teed Sina? Villaini statid: 25/8/0.0/0.3/-/0/12kätt
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UTG+1 ($0.93)
MP1 ($4.99)
MP2 ($2.50)
Hero (CO) ($4.94)
Button ($1.05)
SB ($4.20)
BB ($1.85)
UTG ($1.77)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
UTG calls $0.02, UTG+1 calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.12, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.10, UTG+1 calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.39) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.30, UTG calls $0.30, 1 fold

Turn: ($0.99) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $1.35 (All-In), Hero ???

[masterpuppet]

Call, 12 kätt ei anna vastase kohta midagi ning fishid ei mängi nii oma kokkusaadud flushe+ sul veel madeflushi tõmme ka

[Ämmapets]

http://www.pokerhand.org/?4751717

http://www.pokerhand.org/?4751709

http://www.pokerhand.org/?4751648

Huvitav mitu sellist laksu peab inimene ühe õhtu jooksul saama, et tilt juba paistma hakkaks? :(

[daljoh]

1. Standard cooler. Juhtub
2. Miks sa checkid flopil? Sellisel limiidil ei saa slowplayda!
3. Standard cooler. AA ja KK omanikud ei viska seda never maha. Olen seda ise teinud agaainult kindal readi olemasolul!

[Ämmapets]

2. Kuna nii paljud nägid floppi, siis lootsin, et keegi sai millelegi pihta, et saaksin ta panuse üle raiseda. Tagantjärgi muidugi kirusin ennast selle eest.

[0ttt]

1. Shove preflop. Muidu standard cooler.
2. Preflop raise kindlasti. Flopis kohe ise lükka ka raise otsa.
3. Cooler.

[Ämmapets]

http://www.pokerhand.org/?4753696

Kas AI callimine oli viga või lihtsalt jälle üks cooler?

[daljoh]

1. mängi alati full stackiga
2. kui teed reraise siis tee see suurem...oleks pannud sinna 0.8-1
3. AI callimine on siin selline nibinnabin....kui on väga tight mängija siis siis fold....kui loose siis call

[0ttt]

Cooler, kõik OK!

[daljoh]

Hetke oli jah cooler

[K2snakas]

pigem ikka suckout, et oma 3 outi välja t6mbas!

[daljoh]

Pigem jah

[daljoh]

66; Meie otsus. Villain 43/4 28 kätt
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BB ($2.81)
UTG ($6.27)
UTG+1 ($0.91)
MP1 ($3.29)
Hero (MP2) ($2.35)
CO ($2)
Button ($0.31)
SB ($0.20)

[b]Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif
3 folds, Hero bets $0.06, CO calls $0.06, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.15) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.08, CO calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.31) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.24, CO calls $0.24

River: ($0.79) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.22, CO raises to $1.45, Hero ???

River beti suurus oli minupoolt muidugi täielik bläkk!

[hoss23]

Tõsta pre rohkem, 0,8 peale

Sellise dongi vastu foldi ei näe, kui hittiski flushi, on cooler

[daljoh]

Ei saa tõsta PL ju :D

[hoss23]

Ei saa tõsta PL ju :D

Sry ei pannud tähele. ;DCallisid jah???

[masterpuppet]

Ei saa tõsta PL ju :D

Iga tänav pot bet ning ei tule nii raskeid riveri otsuseid.

[daljoh]

Mida teha PF ???
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UTG ($1.59)
Hero (UTG+1) ($2.06)
MP1 ($0.78)
MP2 ($3.31) 16/16/3.3 75 kätt
CO ($1.56) 40/7/0.9 42 kätt
Button ($0.40)
SB ($0.80) 57/14/inf 7 kätt
BB ($2.35)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif
UTG calls $0.02, Hero bets $0.08, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $0.24, CO calls $0.24, 1 fold, SB calls $0.23, 2 folds; HERO ???

Flop: ($0.84) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, MP2 checks, CO bets $0.06, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.06

Turn: ($0.96) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
MP2 checks, CO bets $0.08, MP2 calls $0.08

River: ($1.12) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)
MP2 checks, CO checks

Total pot: $1.12 | Rake: $0.07
Main pot: $1.12 between MP2 and CO, won by CO

Results:
MP2 had Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (high card, Ace).
CO had 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (one pair, nines).
Outcome: CO won $1.05

[nikitheone]

ma ilmselt calliks, pot oddsid nii head juba

[0ttt]

Preflop tõste 0.1 peale ja ma foldiks peale 3beti. Paneks note sellele MP2'le et JQs PF 3bet.

[daljoh]

Sain ühe video valmis....NL/PL2
võitev sess oli...+$6
Üritan selle kuhugi üles ka panna

[daljoh]

Videote all on link kust saab mu videot tõmmata.
Viimase BSPlayeriga peaks ilusti töötama!

[janek174]

Nii, küsiks ka NL5 prode käest nõu. Käsi selline
http://www.pokerhand.org/?4769524

Ivanshka stats 1300 käe kohta 15/5

[nikitheone]

ma ei foldiks kunagi KK preflop. vähemalt mitte cashis. vähemalt mitte nl5's.

e: minu 122 KK peale nl5's, oli ainult korra AA vastas.

[bauss]

mis 3bet stat on?
üldiselt never ei foldiks

[janek174]

e: minu 122 KK peale nl5's, oli ainult korra AA vastas.


Minul 80K käe peale vähemalt 5X olnud juba.
Ja 3bet % on 1,5.

E: Ja küsimus siin ka stackide suuruses. Buy-in oleks insta sisse läinud. Mis käe peale siin vastase paneks? Või mis sellist käiku tema poolt põhjendaks?

[bauss]

no puhtalt statile minnes siis QQ+ vastu oled 50/50.
kahtlen ikkagi et reaalajas suudaks foldida.

[nikitheone]

sellel tasemel minnakse niimoodi ka TT+, ning alates A10s+ ka. Vabalt võid ees olla.

[janek174]

sellel tasemel minnakse niimoodi ka TT+, ning alates A10s+ ka. Vabalt võid ees olla.


No minnakse jah, aga seda reeglina ikka shortstackide poolt. Sügavamate stackidega vennad lähevad ikka üliharva QQ- pre allin. Ja stackidele toetudes see küsimus just tekkiski. Loomulikult biidib mind siin ainult AA, aga miks pidi see vend oma 2buy-inise stackiga sellise lükke tegema?

[Ahangama]

ei foldi preflop KK, tõenäosus peaks olema et longrunnis oled preflop ai KK plussis ja ees.
stäkk on sul nl5 kohta üli deep, 2,5bi pealt soovitatakse laud kinni panna, et ei tekiks scared money kui teine deep vastas ja sul KK käes ;D

[0ttt]

Tuimalt calliks. Kui tal AA peos ja sa ei hiti ei ole midagi teha.

[janek174]

Offtopickut niipalju, et tegin trackeris kiire ülevaate. 85K käe jooksul olen kaotanud KK-ga AA-le 11 korda preflopist ja 2 korda flopist. Viimane kord oli just peale oma küsimuse esitamist, kui uue sessi käima panin. Esimene käsi KK ja kui reraise vastu sain, olin juba 90% kindel, et ässad vastas mis loomulikult ka nii oli.

[daljoh]

Kusjuures olen selles olukorras isegi vist KK maha visanud...aga no vastane oli ikka üli üli nit!
Hetkel oleks snapcall

[bubba]

rääkige kuidas nl5 es AK;AKs mängida. Vaatasin et need käed mul miinuses viimastest sessidest, ei tea kas olen liiga agrolt neid mänginud või liiga kergelt foldinud ja jätnud poti võtmata. Millised oleks AK le sellised flopid kus kindlalt cbet ei paneks ja millised on need millel paneks. lisaks kui hitid TPTK AK ga ja shove vastas peale raiset, siis kas enamasti call ikka?

[daljoh]

Ma arvan et cbet sõltub mul:
1. Flopist
2. Flopi nägijate arvust
3. Positsioonist

Kui saad flopile pihta siis on 90% sul nuts.
Kui paljud näevad floppi ja ei sa ei hiti siis ma olen chekkinud kui ma ei ole positsioonis, kui ma olen pos. ja minu ees on checkitus siis on kindel cbet.
See shove värk on nii et kui hitid ja ees shove siis call kindlasti ja kui selja taga on veel rahvast siis võiks panna raise.

Parandage mind kui ma eksin!

[janek174]

Mul tekib hoopis selline küsimus, et kus krdi kohas te kõik mängite, kus preflop/flop shove on täiesti standard ja tehakse igast asendist 99+ kätega. Starsis NL5-s 85K kätt mänginud ja selliseid olukordi tuleb ikka üsna harva ette, kus lambist preflop/flop nuppe pannakse (shortstackid välja arvatud).

[daljoh]

Ega tglt eriti ei ole neid olukordi....aga muidu FT ;D

[pikk28]

Mul tekib hoopis selline küsimus, et kus krdi kohas te kõik mängite, kus preflop/flop shove on täiesti standard ja tehakse igast asendist 99+ kätega. Starsis NL5-s 85K kätt mänginud ja selliseid olukordi tuleb ikka üsna harva ette, kus lambist preflop/flop nuppe pannakse (shortstackid välja arvatud).

tegele janek veidi table selectioniga ja siis näed igasuguseid sulelisi ja karvalisi. kollane pani nädal tagasi preflop nuppe KJga. vastasel vist oli J4, NL50 stars

[janek174]

tegele janek veidi table selectioniga ja siis näed igasuguseid sulelisi ja karvalisi. kollane pani nädal tagasi preflop nuppe KJga. vastasel vist oli J4, NL50 stars


Mina selekteerin lauad flopi vaatamise protsendi järgi ja mängin 20+ lauda korraga, nii et ega erilist valikut pole. Ehk sellistes laudades neid lahmimisi vähem kah (või siis ei jää silma endale sellised asjad)

[pikk28]

Mina selekteerin lauad flopi vaatamise protsendi järgi ja mängin 20+ lauda korraga, nii et ega erilist valikut pole. Ehk sellistes laudades neid lahmimisi vähem kah.

sama siin. ja näen igasuguseid kloune.

[janek174]

sama siin. ja näen igasuguseid kloune.


Reeglina näen selliseid asju, et check/callitakse maha kõikvõimalike müstiliste kätega, aga niisama nuppe ikka väga ei panda.

[ranka]

ma ilmselt calliks, pot oddsid nii head juba


Call halb IMO. Ma shoveks (väga palju surnud pappi sees) või foldiks. Kuna 2NL vastane tight, light3bettingut ei ole, siis ma ütleks, et sa oled pikalt-pikalt taga (mitte ainult ületõstja suhtes) ja ma foldiks. On 2NL paremaid kohti rahasid sisse ajada, kui surnud pappi taga ajada.

[0ttt]

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.04 BB (7 handed) - Cake-Poker (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com)

MP1 ($3.22)
MP2 ($4.50)
CO ($4.77)
Button ($2.98)
Hero (SB) ($3.88)
BB ($0.68)
UTG ($2.57)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif
1 fold, MP1 calls $0.04, 3 folds, Hero bets $0.20, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.16

Flop: ($0.44) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.32, MP1 raises to $0.64, Hero calls $0.32

Turn: ($1.72) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $0.86, Hero ???

Mida tegin õigesti valesti? Mida turnil teha? Tagantjärele mõtlen, et oleks pidanud foldima flop 3beti peale?

[timukasr]

Tõesti foldi flopi 2-beti peale, sul on 2nd pair ja olemas on rea võimalusi.

[mislinn]

Mida teha??

Hero (MP2) ($5.63)
MP3 ($5)
CO ($5.47)
Button ($5.06)
SB ($9.47)
BB ($3.30)
UTG ($18.78)
UTG+1 ($3.05)
MP1 ($4.85)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
3 folds, Hero bets $0.20, 3 folds, SB calls $0.18, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.45) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.30, SB calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.05) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.80, SB raises to $8.97 (All-In) Hero ???

[Ahangama]

callin

[ranka]

callin


Jah

[daljoh]

Villain info? Pakun et statid on dongi omad?!
Aga ilmselt ikkagi call?

[mislinn]

Aga kas flopil oleks võinud suuremalt välja panustada?

Statsid oli 18/2/46, aga ainult 60 kätt

[ranka]

Aga kas flopil oleks võinud suuremalt välja panustada?

Statsid oli 18/2/46, aga ainult 60 kätt


Kõik fine

[daljoh]

AF ikka 4.6 v tõesti 46?
Call igaljuhul kuigi statide järgi võiks sul seal vastas olla JJ+; AQ+

Aga call anyway!

[ranka]

AF ikka 4.6 v tõesti 46?
Call igaljuhul kuigi statide järgi võiks sul seal vastas olla JJ+; AQ+

Aga call anyway!


Tõenäoliselt AFQ ajab sassi.

[mislinn]

Callisin, vastas oli QQ, aga see selleks, mis statsid üldse oleks kasulik lauda kuvada mul praegu VPIP, PFR AFq(selle asemel peaks hoopis AF olema nagu eelmisest postist aru saiN?), 3BET % ja fold to flop cbet, hetkel on raskusi VPIP ja AFq kasutamisega..

[daljoh]

minu omad on sellised:

VPIP/PFR/AF/hands
3bet/F to 3bet/cbet/f to cbet

[mislinn]

minu omad on sellised:

VPIP/PFR/AF/hands
3bet/F to 3bet/cbet/f to cbet



Ja mis limiiti sa mängid?

[daljoh]

NL2-5 hetkel

Vahet pole pm mida mängid....muud asjad on popupis....rankal on vist veel vähem state ees minu teada

[mislinn]

NL2-5 hetkel

Vahet pole pm mida mängid....muud asjad on popupis....rankal on vist veel vähem state ees minu teada


selge

[daljoh]

Point selles et niikuinii ei jõua kõike jälgida....põhiasjad võiks ikkagi olemas olla...ja kui vaja keerulisemat otsust teha siis saad infi pop upist

[ranka]

Callisin, vastas oli QQ, aga see selleks, mis statsid üldse oleks kasulik lauda kuvada mul praegu VPIP, PFR AFq(selle asemel peaks hoopis AF olema nagu eelmisest postist aru saiN?), 3BET % ja fold to flop cbet, hetkel on raskusi VPIP ja AFq kasutamisega..


VPIP/PFR/AF - Hands. Ülejäänud on mõttetud ja pista popuppidesse, mitte lauale segama. Kui liigud loogilist rada pidi, et mängid igas limiidis suure hulga käsi ning liigud üles, siis alates 200NL ära üldse enam statistika kasuta. Samuti, kui oled X limiidis kaua mänginud, siis võib ka vahest proovida ilma statistikata. On inimesi, kellel statistika ainult segab mängu ning teeb ilma poole paremat mängu.

Ja enamus häid mängijaid ei kasuta üleüldse HUD'e või kasutavad neid minimaalselt, et lauas on eelnimetatud 4 statti. Viled ja pillid jäta pillimeestele ja orkestrile ;)

[daljoh]

No mis ma ütlesin :D

[mislinn]

No mis ma ütlesin :D


hea read oli :D

[daljoh]

Mida teha kui lauas on üliagro tüüp?

Pisike video....hääl on alguses puudulik, hiljem asi paraneb!

http://www.upload.ee/images/dl_f.gif (http://www.upload.ee/files/220396/yliagro_tyyp.avi.html)

[kivisaba]

no see polnud mingi agro mängija vaid täisdonk ja dead money AJs suited peaks olema all-in jh
shove range võiks olla AT+ 77+ näiteks aga BB-l olles tema ebanormaalse raise vastas võib isegi loosemalt shoveda vb KT+ 22+

[Tarmonator]

ma ei viitsinudki lõpuni vaadata. üldiselt ma oleks juba selle KT'ga nuppe teinud seal. see short las callib.
a päris viisakad poisid olid teisedki seal lauas, pool stacki callitakse sisse et setmineda.

[Ämmapets]

http://www.pokerhand.org/?4782803

Mis sai valesti tehtud? Kas AI minemine oli ikka õige tegu? Kahtlustasin küll setti, aga sellise käe peale poleks küll vastast pannud...

[daljoh]

1. Mängi alati 100BB
2. väga halb flop, turni all in peale oleks ma arvan foldinud.
mängu situatsioonis on seda muidugi raske teha!

[Ämmapets]

Njah, foldi nupp käis küll silme eest läbi, aga nõuab ikka jõudu AA maha visata. Aga krt küll milliste kaartidega ikka callitakse PF raise.

[timz0333]

Turn on ez fold!

[janek174]

Njah, foldi nupp käis küll silme eest läbi, aga nõuab ikka jõudu AA maha visata. Aga krt küll milliste kaartidega ikka callitakse PF raise.


NL5-s pole preflop callide üle midagi imestada. Eile juhtus näiteks selline lugu, et riveril callis üks vene tsurka ennast all-ini ilma boardi biitimata (maas KKQQ7, mul QQ nelik ja temal 76). Täna näiteks maas neli ristit A kõrge, mul ässade set, vastas kaks paari (ei saanud riveril enam foldida, kuna nii palju raha oli sees juba). Üldiselt siin ei foldiks, ei näe mingit põhjust, miks vastase peaks rea peale panema (ok, 88 on ju enam vähem loogiline käsi, aga ikka ei foldiks, vähemalt sellise stackiga mitte).

Ja see soovitus juba oli, et full stackiga mängida, nii väikse stackiga ei saagi AA-d foldida enam.

[Strateeg]

Niisiis tervitus microlimiidi grinderitele! Jätsin mõni aeg tagasi sng-d seljataha ning otsustasin cashgame õppima hakata, siin siis üks käsi, mios endale tundub suht standard, aga ootan Teiepoolseid vastupidiseid argumente :)

PS ärge mind kohe risti lööge kui käsi pole õigesti postitatud, see siin on mu esimene postitatud käsi ever nii et show mercy! :D

EDIT: villain on 15 käe peale 40/20/8, aga ise ma sellest ei lähtunud, üritan isegi VPIP ja PFR vaatama hakata alates 50st-60st käest, et oma lollusi stattidega mitte õigustada.



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SB ($6.53)
Hero (BB) ($5)
UTG ($8.19)
UTG+1 ($0.95)
MP1 ($8.06)
MP2 ($5.81)
CO ($1.52)
Button ($10.90)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
6 folds, SB bets $0.15, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.30) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.20, SB raises to $0.65, Hero raises to $1.80, SB raises to $4.40, Hero raises to $4.85 (All-In), SB calls $0.45

Turn: ($10) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($10) Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $10 | Rake: $0.66

Results below:
SB had 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (flush, King high).
Hero had 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (three of a kind, fours).
Outcome: SB won $9.34

[janek174]

Peale check-reraise üldiselt peaks foldima, kuigi pole kindel, kas ise seda suudaks. Ülepaari ja mastitõmbega selliseid trikke ei tehta.

[leits]

i dont fold

[mislinn]

Väga tavaline olukord, foldi ma seal nl5 kunagi ei näeks, liiga palju tõmbeid ja ülekaarte võib vastasel olla..

[Strateeg]

No ma kaalusin foldi, aga tunnen, et kohati vasardab peas see üldlevinud jutt "micros pannakse igast pasaga nuppe ja elusees setti sellel boardil ei foldi". Üldiselt ma usun et flopi c/r peale ma loobuda ei suudaks, vähemalt praegu mitte (olen vaid 9000 kätt mänginud). Ise mõtlesin veel pot controli peale ja kaalusin flopi c/r callida ja ohutu (non-heart) turni korral nuppe panna. Oleks see plaan olnud hea/halb?

Enivei tundub mulle, et praeguse mängustiili juures (mängin ranka tabeli järgi), ei oleks ma sest käest kuidagi eemale saanud.

[vapsik]

Peale check-reraise üldiselt peaks foldima, kuigi pole kindel, kas ise seda suudaks. Ülepaari ja mastitõmbega selliseid trikke ei tehta.


Osad vastased mängivad JJ+ ka nii ja selline vend võib vabalt mingi Q high-ga (lihtsalt Q high, mitte mastitõmme) ka sedamoodi mängida. Ma seal küll mingit foldi ei näe.

Täielik cooler.

[janek174]

Kuidas seda kätt mängima peaks? Endale tundub, et sai üsna mitu viga siin käes tehtud, mis teised arvavad?
http://www.pokerhand.org/?4786594

[vapsik]

Kuidas seda kätt mängima peaks? Endale tundub, et sai üsna mitu viga siin käes tehtud, mis teised arvavad?
http://www.pokerhand.org/?4786594


PF tõstaks limpimise asemel ja cbettiks, as played, siis flopis paneks 0,1 senti ja turnis ei leadiks välja ning katsuks võimalikult odavalt showdwni näha, kui just riverisse masti ei saal.

[daljoh]

Kuidas seda kätt mängima peaks? Endale tundub, et sai üsna mitu viga siin käes tehtud, mis teised arvavad?
http://www.pokerhand.org/?4786594

2 varjanti kas raise PF v fold PF...pigem esimene

[mislinn]

Ei viitsi kätt postita, aga kirjeldan olukorda, mis just oli...

Niisiis mulle jagatakse kätte QQ, panen tavalise raise(4xBB) ja saan tagant ühelt vennalt 3,5x minu raise otsa...mida teha, miks? Kas tasub veel juurde panna, või lihtsalt callida ja vaadata, kas flop sobib? Tegemist oli tegelikult NL10ga, aga arvan, et ei ole erilist vahet...

[daljoh]

Villain image?

[mislinn]

Villain image?


Krt unustasin statsid panna rsk ja mainida, et olime mõlemad 200BB deep, aga vastane tundus suhteliselt solid mängija

Vastase näitajad oli 34/14/2,6 126 kätt

[olympus999]

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MP ($2.35)
Button ($2.12)
SB ($8.68)
Hero (BB) ($1)
UTG ($2.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif
UTG (poster) checks, MP calls $0.02, Button calls $0.02, SB calls $0.01, Hero bets $0.06, 1 fold, MP calls $0.04, Button calls $0.04, SB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.26) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.08, MP calls $0.08, Button calls $0.08, SB calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.58) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.12, MP raises to $0.24
Button ja SB foldisid peale raisi.

Igasugune read puudub, kuna esimene käsi mis lauda läksin sain kohe kolmikud.
Mida ma oleks pidanud tegema?

[janek174]

Mida ma oleks pidanud tegema?



Flopist korralikult bettima.

[vapsik]

Krt unustasin statsid panna rsk ja mainida, et olime mõlemad 200BB deep, aga vastane tundus suhteliselt solid mängija

Vastase näitajad oli 34/14/2,6 126 kätt


Calliks ja vaataks flopp ja 34/14/2,6 ei ole IMHO eriti solid FR mängija.

[mislinn]

Calliks ja vaataks flopp ja 34/14/2,6 ei ole IMHO eriti solid FR mängija.


Ei ole jh, vaatasin statse alles hiljem ja see osa postist, kus mainisin, et tundus solid jäi muutmata :-\

[variatsioon]

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MP ($2.35)
Button ($2.12)
SB ($8.68)
Hero (BB) ($1)
UTG ($2.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif
UTG (poster) checks, MP calls $0.02, Button calls $0.02, SB calls $0.01, Hero bets $0.06, 1 fold, MP calls $0.04, Button calls $0.04, SB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.26) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.08, MP calls $0.08, Button calls $0.08, SB calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.58) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.12, MP raises to $0.24
Button ja SB foldisid peale raisi.

Igasugune read puudub, kuna esimene käsi mis lauda läksin sain kohe kolmikud.
Mida ma oleks pidanud tegema?


preflopis raisi rohkem 5BB+1BB/liper
flopis beti rohkem - 85% potist
turnis beti rohkem - 80% potist
turnis 3beti All ini

[olympus999]

Ebaõnn ebaõnne järele.

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MP1 ($2.17)
Hero (MP2) ($0.57)
MP3 ($1.12)
CO ($2.48)
Button ($2.49)
SB ($4)
BB ($3.87)
UTG ($1.10)
UTG+1 ($4.95)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.02, Hero bets $0.20, 6 folds, MP1 calls $0.18

Flop: ($0.45) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.16, MP1 raises to $0.40, Hero calls $0.21 (All-In)

Turn: ($1.19) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($1.19) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $1.19 | Rake: $0.05

Results:
MP1 had 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (two pair, nines and fives).
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (one pair, Queens).
Outcome: MP1 won $1.14


Vastasel joppas päris korralikult.
MP1 tundus suht lõdvalt mängivat.

Kas ma oleksin saanud seda kätt kuidagi paremini mängida?

[mislinn]

Ega seal midagi väga teha pole, kui vastane selline mängumees on, aga paar asja ikka, hoia endal lauas ikka korralik stack, vähemalt 100BB ja peale floppi, tee korralik bet, 0,45 boti oleks normaalne bet kuskil 0,35...

[janek174]

Selline stack (???) just meelitabki igasuguseid lambikäsi gämblima. Selle stacki oleks võinud kohe preflopist sisse uhada, mingeid imesüsteeme küll siin aretada pole.

[mislinn]

Selline stack (???) just meelitabki igasuguseid lambikäsi gämblima. Selle stacki oleks võinud kohe preflopist sisse uhada, mingeid imesüsteeme küll siin aretada pole.


Kui oled korralik mängija, siis on kasulikum kindlasti hoida suurem stack, sest siis sa lihtsalt võidad rohkem ju ;)

[Ämmapets]

Ja see soovitus juba oli, et full stackiga mängida, nii väikse stackiga ei saagi AA-d foldida enam.

Ei olnud ju väike stäkk. Tegemist NL4-ga ja mul käe mängimise hetkel 3.88E, see 12 senti vähem kui full stäkk ei tee mind veel shortyks ju :D

[janek174]

Ei olnud ju väike stäkk. Tegemist NL4-ga ja mul käe mängimise hetkel 3.88E, see 12 senti vähem kui full stäkk ei tee mind veel shortyks ju :D


Hmh... ju siis vaatasin, et NL5. My bad.

[Cash87]

Käe mängimise hetkel on tal 57 senti :D

[K2snakas]

Käe mängimise hetkel on tal 57 senti :D


sa ei taju beati vist ???

[Ermii]

Postitan siis mõned käed:
1.No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com)

MP3 ($2.60)
CO ($10)
Button ($4.82)
SB ($3.39)
Hero (BB) ($10.82)
UTG ($2.81)
UTG+1 ($14.98) 77/36/25/2.6/75/50/45kätt
MP1 ($7.03)
MP2 ($14.98)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif
1 fold, UTG+1 bets $0.10, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.10, 3 folds, Hero raises $0.40, UTG+1 calls $0.35, MP3 calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.37) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $1.50, 1 fold, Hero ,kuidas oleks kõige kasulikum edasi mängida?

2.No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com)

UTG+1 ($0.73)
Hero (MP1) ($9.51)
MP2 ($5.48)
MP3 ($1.57)
CO ($11.50) 64/23/0.0/2.7/100/33/22kätt
Button ($10.18)
SB ($9.95)
BB ($5.08)
UTG ($6)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
2 folds, Hero bets $0.20, 2 folds, CO calls $0.20, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.47) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.30, CO raises $0.70, [color=#666666][i]Hero ????

3. No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (7 handed) - Hold'em Manager (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com)

MP1 ($14.09)
MP2 ($4.80)
CO ($7.95) 66/9/30/1.8/100/71/32kätt
Button ($3.66)
SB ($1.09)
Hero (BB) ($9.45)
UTG ($10.21)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif
3 folds, CO calls $0.05, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.20, CO calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.52) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, CO raises $5, [color=#CC3333]Hero ???

[mislinn]

1. Kindlasti ei checkiks floppi, nl5 on selline naljakas koht, kus tuleb floppi hittides igal tänaval täiega paugutada, sest vastased armastavad maksta kõiksugu imelike kätega. Check on halb juba sellepärast, et kui sa teda näiteks check raised, siis sa võid nad käest välja peletada, sest see on ilmselt ainuke asi, mida seal kardetakse. Teiseks, kui sa checkid võib vastane järgi checkida ja ka see on halb, kuna ta võib tasuta endale vajaliku kaardi saada...Aga kui sa juba checki tegid ja vastane betis, siis ma kütaks juurde.

2. Kindlasti selle väikese raise peale veel oma top paari maha ei paneks, calliks ja vaataks järgmist kaarti ja kui see pole ohtlik, siis käest ei loobuks.

3. Selles käes pole kindel, aga ma arvan, et ma calliks, kuna vastasel võivad olla ülekaardid mastitõmbega jne..

[Cash87]

1) Raise allin ta arvatavasti maksab oma draw või Ax-ga
2) Call
3) Fold, see board liiga Gay, et riskida.

[janek174]

1. Kui juba chekisid, siis reraise nuppe. 22 on ainuke reaalne käsi, mis sind biidib ja mida võidi preflop nii mängida. Sel juhul sitt lugu lihtsalt.
2. Call. Kui abi ei tule ja board endiselt ohutu, siis veel üks litter ja kui siis ka raise otsa saad, siis peaks olema easy fold.
3. Fold. Pole mingit mõtet siin gambleda (ja ülekaartidega mastitõmme on siin igal juhul erand kui reegel)

[Ermii]

Teine käsi siis, kui panen turnil teise barreli ja vend callib mis teen riveril? Valuebet?

[mislinn]

Teine käsi siis, kui panen turnil teise barreli ja vend callib mis teen riveril? Valuebet?


Mina võtaks hoo maha riveril ja mitte midagi ütleva kaardi puhul teeks check calli...

[janek174]

3. Selles käes pole kindel, aga ma arvan, et ma calliks, kuna vastasel võivad olla ülekaardid mastitõmbega jne..


Ei ole vaja mõelda kõige ebatõenäolisemat stsenaariumi lihtsalt sellepärast, et tegu on NL5-ga. On väga palju käsi, mis sind siin biidivad (preflop mängu arvestades muidugi üsna ebatõenäoline). Dongi moodi mängida ise lihtsalt selle pärast, et tegu on sellise limiidiga, pole mingi vabandus (ei käi konkreetse käe kohta). Aga tihti just erinevates käte postitustes selline liin silma jääb.

[mislinn]

Ei ole vaja mõelda kõige ebatõenäolisemat stsenaariumi lihtsalt sellepärast, et tegu on NL5-ga. On väga palju käsi, mis sind siin biidivad (preflop mängu arvestades muidugi üsna ebatõenäoline). Dongi moodi mängida ise lihtsalt selle pärast, et tegu on sellise limiidiga, pole mingi vabandus (ei käi konkreetse käe kohta). Aga tihti just erinevates käte postitustes selline liin silma jääb.


No mina usun, et call on +EV siin, ise veel 2 nädalat tagasi mängisin nl5s ja beatisin seda ja niipalju kui ma seal selliseid olukordi sain, siis call tasus ära, millal ise viimati seal mängisid?

[janek174]

No mina usun, et call on +EV siin, ise veel 2 nädalat tagasi mängisin nl5s ja beatisin seda ja niipalju kui ma seal selliseid olukordi sain, siis call tasus ära, millal ise viimati seal mängisid?



Ise mängin iga päev regulaarselt 6-7K kätt NL5 hetkel. Ma ei usu et call siin +EV on. Kui vastane on tõmbe peal, on ju pmst coinflip ja mündiviskest pikas perspektiivis ei võida peale maja keegi. Kas on vastane sust ees, või on mündivise. Sellses olukorras nuppude panek ei saa kuidagi +EV olla. Ja neid käsi, millest sina siin pikalt ees oleks, on ikka väga vähe.

[mislinn]

Ise mängin iga päev regulaarselt 6-7K kätt NL5 hetkel. Ma ei usu et call siin +EV on. Kui vastane on tõmbe peal, on ju pmst coinflip ja mündiviskest pikas perspektiivis ei võida peale maja keegi. Kas on vastane sust ees, või on mündivise. Sellses olukorras nuppude panek ei saa kuidagi +EV olla. Ja neid käsi, millest sina siin pikalt ees oleks, on ikka väga vähe.


Minu kogemuste põhjal tehakse sellist pulli kätega nagu Ak vms vabalt, aga võibolla on sul tõesti õigus..

[janek174]

Minu kogemuste põhjal tehakse sellist pulli kätega nagu Ak vms vabalt, aga võibolla on sul tõesti õigus..


Tehakse muidugi, aga see ei ole mingi reegel, mille järgi mängida. Pigem ikka erand.

[Ermii]

Kus juures see kolmas käsi lükkasin ta raise vastu nuppe ja ta call näitas Q9 :) samas oli ta varem suht palju 3bettind igast lambi kätega, seepärast selline lüke, muidu vist kipuks jah rohkem foldi poole

[daljoh]

Pole nüüd pikka aega kirjutanud ja pole eriti mängida saanud ka....töö töö töö

Aga selline käsi nt:

Mida teha?

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saw flop

CO ($2.27) 59/35/8 17 kätt
Button ($0.54)
Hero (SB) ($2.29)
BB ($2) info pudub
UTG ($5.44)
UTG+1 ($1.13)
MP1 ($0.72)
MP2 ($0.86)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif
UTG calls $0.02, 3 folds, CO calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.13, BB raises to $0.30, 1 fold, CO raises to $1.05, HERO ???

[masterpuppet]

3way potis ei mängi JJ hästi, eriti veel sellises olukorras. Olgu vastas, kui donk vend tahes. Seega iizi fold.

[0ttt]

Nagu öeldud, easy fold.

[daljoh]

Tean jah....lükkasin JJ foldi ja vastas oli siis BBl QQ ja CO JQ

[janek174]

Mis edasi?

http://www.pokerhand.org/?4806459 (sorry, et nii emaselt konverditud, kuid paremini polnud võimalik)

[Ermii]

Mina siin enam foldi ei leiaks, turniks on pot-is 5.25$ sees, sul järgi 3.64$ ma lükkaks ülejäänud ka sisse. Samas võiks keegi targem oma arvamust õelda :)

[masterpuppet]

Nuppe. Me ei saa alati vastast drawle panna (weak) ning flopis callivad sind paljud madalamad paarid.

[tristano00]

Huivtav käsi. http://weaktight.com/1614708

See kellel oli parem strflush kirjutas et ei pand tähele. See kes muckis tal oli QQ.

[Cash87]

Oleksid starsis Badbeat lauad oleksid rikkaks saanud :P

[Sonsu]

Nii väike käsi, mille laadseid viimasel ajal päris kõvasti olnud. Milline oleks kõige mõistlikum liin?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.02/0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash Games, 9 Players
Hand Converter (http://www.pokerhand.org/hand-converter.aspx) by Pokerhand.org (http://www.pokerhand.org)

Board:
Nemec1999 (UTG): $5
Kosmos533 (CO): $2.09
HERO (Button): $4.82
vilfredop (SB): $4.76 24/7/2 1,3k kätt
Danc2009 (UTG+1): $7.02
nusha82 (BB): $12.60
rybaDebil (MP1): $9.44
ToJoLe (MP2): $4.02
Nadije (MP4): $4.92 19/7/2 880 kätt

Dealt to HERO Q :spade: A :heart:

Pre-flop:
rybaDebil raises to $.16, (1 folds), Nadije calls $.16, (2 folds), HERO calls $.16, vilfredop calls $.14, (1 folds)

Flop: ($.68) Q :heart: 7 :heart: 3 :heart: (5 Players)
vilfredop checks, rybaDebil checks, Nadije bets $.65, HERO raises to $1.62, vilfredop raises to $2.59, (1 folds), Nadije raises to $4.11, , vilfredop calls $2.01, HERO ???

[Marek]

Nii väike käsi, mille laadseid viimasel ajal päris kõvasti olnud. Milline oleks kõige mõistlikum liin?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.02/0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash Games, 9 Players
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Board:
Nemec1999 (UTG): $5
Kosmos533 (CO): $2.09
HERO (Button): $4.82
vilfredop (SB): $4.76 24/7/2 1,3k kätt
Danc2009 (UTG+1): $7.02
nusha82 (BB): $12.60
rybaDebil (MP1): $9.44
ToJoLe (MP2): $4.02
Nadije (MP4): $4.92 19/7/2 880 kätt

Dealt to HERO Q :spade: A :heart:

Pre-flop:
rybaDebil raises to $.16, (1 folds), Nadije calls $.16, (2 folds), HERO calls $.16, vilfredop calls $.14, (1 folds)

Flop: ($.68) Q :heart: 7 :heart: 3 :heart: (5 Players)
vilfredop checks, rybaDebil checks, Nadije bets $.65, HERO raises to $1.62, vilfredop raises to $2.59, (1 folds), Nadije raises to $4.11, , vilfredop calls $2.01, HERO ???


Pool stäkist sees ja meil on TPTK + NFD, allin.

[hoss23]

Nii väike käsi, mille laadseid viimasel ajal päris kõvasti olnud. Milline oleks kõige mõistlikum liin?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.02/0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash Games, 9 Players
Hand Converter (http://www.pokerhand.org/hand-converter.aspx) by Pokerhand.org (http://www.pokerhand.org)

Board:
Nemec1999 (UTG): $5
Kosmos533 (CO): $2.09
HERO (Button): $4.82
vilfredop (SB): $4.76 24/7/2 1,3k kätt
Danc2009 (UTG+1): $7.02
nusha82 (BB): $12.60
rybaDebil (MP1): $9.44
ToJoLe (MP2): $4.02
Nadije (MP4): $4.92 19/7/2 880 kätt

Dealt to HERO Q :spade: A :heart:

Pre-flop:
rybaDebil raises to $.16, (1 folds), Nadije calls $.16, (2 folds), HERO calls $.16, vilfredop calls $.14, (1 folds)

Flop: ($.68) Q :heart: 7 :heart: 3 :heart: (5 Players)
vilfredop checks, rybaDebil checks, Nadije bets $.65, HERO raises to $1.62, vilfredop raises to $2.59, (1 folds), Nadije raises to $4.11, , vilfredop calls $2.01, HERO ???

jah,nupud keskele

[Ermii]

Kas easy fold:
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UTG ($2.25)
UTG+1 ($1.54)
MP1 ($2)
Hero (MP2) ($10.42)
CO ($7.47)
Button ($9.86)
SB ($8.19)
BB ($15.16)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif
2 folds, MP1 (poster) checks, Hero bets $0.25, 1 fold, Button calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP1 (poster) calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.82) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.60, Button calls $0.60, 1 fold

Turn: ($2.02) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.20, Button calls $1.20

River: ($4.42) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $4.30, [color=#666666][i]Hero ???
Kas oleks pidanud seda kätt kuidagi teist moodi mängima?