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onuark
04.11.09, 00:31
Mängin Pokerstarsis $4.4 180man SNGsi ja küsiks abi mõndade käte kohta.



EDIT:Lisasin uued KÄED ja küsimused viimase postitusega, nii et palun kerige akent julgelt alla.




HAND nr. 1

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UTG+1 (t56620)
MP1 (t33872)
Hero (MP2) (t39167)
CO (t21039)
Button (t6335)
SB (t47783)
BB (t27801)
UTG (t37383)

Hero's M: 13.99

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
3 folds, Hero bets t3000, CO calls t3000, 1 fold, SB calls t2400, 1 fold

Flop: (t11200) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: (t11200) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (3 players)
SB bets t3600, Hero raises to t7200, 1 fold, SB raises to t13200, Hero calls t6000

River: (t37600) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets t13200, Hero folds

Total pot: t37600

Ilmselt oleks pidanud turnis juba foldima. Miks callida turnis, kui riveril ei julge callida. Stacki raiskamine tundus.

HAND nr. 2

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MP (t75421)
CO (t40622)
Hero (Button) (t14134)
SB (t13089)
BB (t22370)
UTG (t104364)

Hero's M: 4.28

Preflop: Hero is Button with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
UTG calls t1600, MP calls t1600, 1 fold
Hero??

Ise panin nuppe, kas tundub mõistlik?

HAND nr. 3

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CO (t37107)
Button (t38708)
SB (t63029)
Hero (BB) (t36110)
UTG (t76231)
MP (t18815)

Hero's M: 8.60

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif
2 folds, CO bets t6000, 2 folds, Hero calls t4000

Flop: (t14200) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t6000, Hero calls t6000

Turn: (t26200) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t16000, Hero folds

Total pot: t26200

Olin tema esitluses näinud ainult suuri pocketeid.
Praegu arvan, et flopil oleksin pidanud otsa panema, et saada infot tema käe kohta? Kuigi see oleks ka kulukas lüke olnud.

HAND nr. 4

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SB (t64380)
BB (t114186)
UTG (t71380)
Hero (Button) (t20054)

Hero's M: 5.28

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif
1 fold, Hero bets t6000, SB calls t5000, 1 fold

Flop: (t14800) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets t2000,
HERO ????

HAND nr. 5

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Hero (SB) (t101294)
BB (t168706)

Hero's M: 37.52

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif
Hero bets t4000, BB calls t2400

Flop: (t8300) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t4800, BB raises to t9600, Hero calls t4800

Turn: (t27500) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
BB bets t67200

HERO???


Ette tänades!


edit: Lisan veel ühe käe..

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Hero (BB) (t192176)
SB (t77824)

Hero's M: 37.68

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
SB calls t1500, Hero bets t9000, SB calls t6000

Flop: (t18600) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets t9000, SB raises to t68524 (All-In)

Kas HERO call on õigustatud?

Koit
04.11.09, 01:36
1. Ma betiks juba floppi ehk, aga sinu situatsioonis oleks c/c lõpuni.
2. jah, shove on mõistlik.
3. ma shoveks juba preflop.
4. viskaks maha, tal võib igasuguseid asju seal olla kui sul just readi pole.
5. suhteliselt deep olete, aga ma vist shoveks seal, eriti palju palju käsi, mis sind seal biitida võivad. :-X
6. see ei oleks hero muide, aga sul peaks seal tervenisti 18 outi olema (6+3+9) ja sa saad õiged oddsid callimiseks.

onuark
04.11.09, 02:53
1. Ma betiks juba floppi ehk, aga sinu situatsioonis oleks c/c lõpuni.
2. jah, shove on mõistlik.
3. ma shoveks juba preflop.
4. viskaks maha, tal võib igasuguseid asju seal olla kui sul just readi pole.
5. suhteliselt deep olete, aga ma vist shoveks seal, eriti palju palju käsi, mis sind seal biitida võivad. :-X
6. see ei oleks hero muide, aga sul peaks seal tervenisti 18 outi olema (6+3+9) ja sa saad õiged oddsid callimiseks.


5. Pärast tegi mulle kõrgeima paariga all in lükke küll muidu, aga enne HU jäämist oli näidanud OVERBETIdes väga tugevaid käsi :/
Ja ütled et paljud käed biidivad mind, siis miks shove? Ise foldisin just see tõttu, et mitmete käte vastu olen taga. Vastane callis 59o 3xBB preflop isegi :P
6. Callisin ise, sest Ilmselt on 2 elus kaarti (ülekaarti?) + aukuost ja mastitõmme. Kahjuks ei tõmband kokku.

vonkartoffel
04.11.09, 03:27
1. Kui oli seal sul stealina mõeldud, siis bet fold flop või check fold.
2. Miks seal shove hea on? Mina foldiks, seal pole ju fold equityt üldse.
3. Shoveks juba pre või siis äärmisel juhul flopis. Läksid setminema siis check fold flop.
4. Instashoveks preflop.
5. Fistpumpshove flopil, top pair ju.
6. Calli koht

Callimine on ainult siis hea kui vastane paneb stacki sisse ja sul on asjad olemas, muidu raise it up or fold.

Koit
04.11.09, 14:22
5. Pärast tegi mulle kõrgeima paariga all in lükke küll muidu, aga enne HU jäämist oli näidanud OVERBETIdes väga tugevaid käsi :/
Ja ütled et paljud käed biidivad mind, siis miks shove? Ise foldisin just see tõttu, et mitmete käte vastu olen taga. Vastane callis 59o 3xBB preflop isegi :P

Seda, et ta overbettides nutsi näitas, sa varem ei öelnud ju :-\ . Ja miks just shove? Sest see ta bet on commitiv ju anyway.

onuark
26.11.09, 03:53
Uued küsimused härradele..

Hand 1: Preflop on ilmselt mõistlik.
Flopi cbet tsirka 2/3.
Turnil oleks valida ju kas check/all in?
Flopi(Kuidas floppi eesti k. kutsutakse?) ja turni (pöörde) plaanin järgmine kordki nii mängida, või oleks see vale?

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CO: t3555 M = 79
BTN: t3205 M = 71.22
SB: t2460 M = 54.67
BB: t3735 M = 83
UTG: t1450 M = 32.22
UTG+1: t1170 M = 26
Hero (UTG+2): t1205 M = 26.78
MP1: t1675 M = 37.22
MP2: t1600 M = 35.56

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is UTG+2 with K :diamond: A :spade:
2 folds, Hero raises to t120, 1 fold, MP2 calls t120, 3 folds, BB calls t90

Flop: (t375) 6 :diamond: K :club: 3 :heart: (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t270, MP2 calls t270, BB folds

Turn: (t915) 9 :club: (2 players)
Hero bets t815 all in, MP2 calls t815

River: (t2545) 2 :club: (2 players - 1 is all in)
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HAND 2: Limpida pole enam mõistlik ja All in nagu ei kisu, M=8 seega saaks veel paremat kätt oodata?

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Hero (MP1): t1225 M = 8.17
MP2: t949 M = 6.33
CO: t4315 M = 28.77
BTN: t2225 M = 14.83
SB: t3965 M = 26.43
BB: t6730 M = 44.87
UTG: t4281 M = 28.54
UTG+1: t4265 M = 28.43
UTG+2: t2695 M = 17.97

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is MP1 with 7 :heart: 7 :club:
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t100, UTG+2 folds, HERO folds, 2 folds, BTN raises to t1500, 3 folds
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HAND 3: PF raise suurus arvestades limpereid on vist sobilik?
AGA MIS EDASI?

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BTN: t1210 M = 40.33
SB: t1530 M = 51
BB: t1810 M = 60.33
UTG: t1470 M = 49
UTG+1: t1410 M = 47
UTG+2: t1430 M = 47.67
Hero (MP1): t1240 M = 41.33
MP2: t1730 M = 57.67
CO: t1470 M = 49

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is MP1 with A :club: A :spade:
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t20, UTG+2 calls t20, Hero raises to t140, 2 folds, BTN calls t140, 4 folds

Flop: (t350) 6 :diamond: T :heart: 9 :diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets t260, BTN calls t260

Turn: (t870) 8 :heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets t340, Hero calls t340

River: (t1550) 4 :heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets t470 all in, Hero calls t470
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HAND 4: Viimase 6 käe jooksul olen pidanud maha viskama 88 ja AQs (see võis muuta mind veidikene agressiivsemaks)

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SB: t693 M = 4.62
BB: t1565 M = 10.43
UTG: t2115 M = 14.10
UTG+1: t2885 M = 19.23
MP1: t4830 M = 32.20
MP2: t1885 M = 12.57
Hero (CO): t1925 M = 12.83
BTN: t2950 M = 19.67

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is CO with T :spade: T :diamond:
3 folds, MP2 raises to t300, Hero raises to t1925 all in, 2 folds, BB calls t1465 all in, 1 fold

Flop: (t3480) 8 :heart: A :diamond: 9 :heart: (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t3480) J :club: (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t3480) 3 :spade: (2 players - 2 are all in)
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HAND 5: Vastane oli varem limpinud K4s UTG+2.
AI/fold valikud?

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UTG: t4330 M = 19.24
UTG+1: t5935 M = 26.38
MP1: t2865 M = 12.73
MP2: t10568 M = 46.97
CO: t1930 M = 8.58
BTN: t7250 M = 32.22
Hero (SB): t1196 M = 5.32
BB: t1699 M = 7.55

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is SB with 8 :club: A :heart:
5 folds, BTN calls t150, Hero raises to t1196 all in, 1 fold, BTN calls t1046

Flop: (t2542) 5 :club: 4 :diamond: 9 :club: (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t2542) Q :diamond: (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t2542) A :diamond: (2 players - 1 is all in)
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HAND 6: Kas see on pot control ja antud olukorras õige või väga vale otsus?
Mastile ei tohiks kaarti odavalt anda flopis ja tuleks hoopiski otsa panna?
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MP1: t3120 M = 69.33
MP2: t1075 M = 23.89
CO: t940 M = 20.89
Hero (BTN): t3270 M = 72.67
SB: t1975 M = 43.89
BB: t805 M = 17.89
UTG: t4720 M = 104.89
UTG+1: t1740 M = 38.67
UTG+2: t1265 M = 28.11

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN with Q :heart: A :club:
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t30, 2 folds, MP2 calls t30, 1 fold, Hero calls t30, SB calls t15, BB checks

Flop: (t150) 3 :club: Q :club: 7 :spade: (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets t120, Hero calls t120, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 folds

Turn: (t390) 7 :heart: (2 players)
MP2 bets t180, Hero calls t180

River: (t750) A :heart: (2 players)
MP2 bets t745 all in, Hero calls t745

onuark
26.11.09, 20:12
-EV lüke kindlasti longrunis, aga selle vastase puhul handhistoryst leidsin temalt väga idiootseid bluffe.

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CO: t1105 M = 24.56
BTN: t1325 M = 29.44
SB: t2005 M = 44.56
BB: t1520 M = 33.78
Hero (UTG): t955 M = 21.22
UTG+1: t3610 M = 80.22
MP1: t1390 M = 30.89
MP2: t1630 M = 36.22

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is UTG with Q :diamond: Q :club:
Hero raises to t120, 6 folds, BB calls t90

Flop: (t255) 6 :diamond: 8 :club: A :club: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t150, BB calls t150

Turn: (t555) 3 :heart: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (t555) 7 :spade: (2 players)
BB bets t300, Hero raises to t685 all in, BB folds

vapsik
26.11.09, 20:24
Miks Sa ei callinud siis lihtsalt, Ax ja paremat ta ei foldiks ning ei usu, et kehvemalt käelt siin valuet saaksid.

onuark
27.11.09, 05:02
Miks Sa ei callinud siis lihtsalt, Ax ja paremat ta ei foldiks ning ei usu, et kehvemalt käelt siin valuet saaksid.

Täiesti õigus. Ma vaatasin historyst et ta teeb nii idiootseid steale, et tahtsin ta vastu AI panna. Täiesti mõttetu tegevus, ilmselt ei mõlenud selge peaga.
Tavaliselt taolistes olukordades ikka ainult callinud, aga see selleks.

Hetk tagasi oli selline käsi:
Vastasel jäi pärast flopil betimist stack M=10, kas ta call on õigustatud? Stacki jääks piisavalt alles, et mäng jätkata.
.. kui mina oleksin tema olukorras, kas ma võiksin callida sellises olukorras? Aidata võivad teda siis 7, 8, J, Q (13 kaarti) Pigem ikka peaks foldi nupu leidma ju?
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Hero (SB): t61858 M = 8.59
BB: t98551 M = 13.69
BTN: t109591 M = 15.22

Pre Flop: (t7200) Hero is SB with A :club: T :club:
1 fold, Hero raises to t10000, BB calls t6000

Flop: (t21200) 8 :diamond: T :spade: 9 :spade: (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets t16000, Hero raises to t51458 all in, BB calls t35458

Turn: (t124116) 5 :heart: (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t124116) Q :club: (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t124116
Hero shows A :club: T :club: (a pair of Tens)
BB shows 8 :club: J :club: (a straight, Eight to Queen)
BB wins t124116

Koit
27.11.09, 14:28
said favoriidina nupud sisse, mida sa põed.

bob
27.11.09, 14:33
Uued küsimused härradele..


Ma raiseks preflop nii 77 kui ka AQ, positsioon lauas nii hea... ja AQ mängiks siis postflop ka palju lihtsamalt, kuigi praegu on ok maha callida vist isegi, kuigi oled biit ka päris tihti kui tal pole Qx, busted Fdraw(vb ässaga) või suht ebatõenäoline puhas bluff. Tagant järgi mõeldes oleks olnd parem ikka jah flopil otsa panna AQ-ga ja vaadata kus oled omadega.