raunoo @ PokerStars 6-max NL25 stake.

[raunooo]

[kuco]

Starsi NL10 6max?

Olen ise ka seda see kuu mänginud parasjagu. Peaks ühiseid sessione tegema ja arutama asju.
Lisa mind MSNi

[raunooo]

Starsi NL10 6max?

Olen ise ka seda see kuu mänginud parasjagu. Peaks ühiseid sessione tegema ja arutama asju.
Lisa mind MSNi

Lisasin.

[raunooo]

[antnx]

Ma seal starsi nl10 6maxi aeg ajalt lihtsalt lammutanud. Suht sellinne nitine tundub see teema seal.

[raunooo]

Arvan, et olen nüüd aru saanud, kuidas NL10-t biitida. Graafik praegu küll veel miinuses, aga ma loodan, et ei lähe enam kaua. Tuleb grindida.

[kivisaba]

heh vaataks nagu enda statte :D

[antnx]

Ära roni niipalju Showdownile 22-23 on paras. 25 ilmselgelt liiga palju. W$SD on selletõttu 47. Ideaalis 52-53.

[ranka]

Ära roni niipalju Showdownile 22-23 on paras. 25 ilmselgelt liiga palju. W$SD on selletõttu 47. Ideaalis 52-53.

Mul viimasel ajal WTSD alla 26% polegi.... See kuu 27% üle 36k käe ja ma ei ütleks, et see vale on.

Paar teist regulli ka:
Sellel 31% wtsd:
http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/Tarjei82'][/URL]

Sellel 28%:
http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/Kelisitaan'][/URL]

Sellel 27%:
http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/justforfunds'][/URL]

Selllel 28%:
http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/pterodactyl6'][/URL]

On ka erandeid:
Sellel 22%:
http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/13_Xerxes_13'][/URL]

Sellel 23%:
http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/plyboy_binny'][/URL]

Sellel 21%:
http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/WrongButton'][/URL]

Rohkem häid mängijaid meelde ei tule. Seega tehke omad järeldused.

[kuco]

Mina soovitasin Raunool üle vaadata oma riveri callid ja üldse riveri mängu.

Kindlasti ehk leiab seal olukord kus poleks pidanud callima või line oli vale. check-call on tihti hullem kui bet-fold.

[vapsik]

Mul viimasel ajal WTSD alla 26% polegi.... See kuu 27% üle 36k käe ja ma ei ütleks, et see vale on.

Paar teist regulli ka:
Sellel 31% wtsd:

Aga need Sinud näited on kõi FR kohta ju? Või pole vahet sellel, kas 6-max või FR?

[ranka]

Aga need Sinud näited on kõi FR kohta ju? Või pole vahet sellel, kas 6-max või FR?

Pole 6maxi mänginud suures koguses ja puusalt tulistan, et vahet ei tohiks olla ja pigem vastupidi, et mida vähem mängijaid lauas, seda rohkem tuleks showdownile minna. Loogikaks võtan selle, et mängijate mängivad nõrgremaid käsi, millega on raskem 3 tänavat valuebettida ning tihti on piisab väga nõrgast käest, et võita showdown.

[camu]

Samas on 6maxi range laiem, seega teeb sama välja.

[lenC]

Mul WTSD koguaeg 27+ olnud, samas mängustiil natuke omapärane ka, palju riveri gaybette jms, mis seda otseselt mõjutab. Samas vpip tubli 10% suurem ka.

[antnx]

Kas kõrgem WTSD tähendab ka somewhat suuremat variatsiooni?

[lenC]

Ei usu, et oluliselt, pigem mängid rohkem väikseid potte, mis niiväga ei mõjuta.

[raunooo]

Hmm, üks kehvemaid nädalaid oli kahjuks. Seis oli vahepeal juba täitsa kena, -4,5BI kõigest, kui aga tuli paar-kolm "ilusat" miinussessi. Käsi mängitud NL10-s 21k ja seis -11BI.

Mõned käed mis tõmbasid miinust:
1.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

CO ($22.20)
Button ($7)
SB ($9.90)
BB ($2.50)
Hero (UTG) ($10)
MP ($12.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, J
Hero bets $0.30, 2 folds, Button calls $0.30, 1 fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95) 6, 7, 10 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, Button raises $1, 1 fold, Hero raises $3, Button raises $5, Hero raises $5, Button calls $0.70 (All-In)

Turn: ($14.35) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($14.35) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $14.35

Results:
Button had Q, Q (one pair, Queens).
Hero had J, J (one pair, Jacks).
Outcome: Button won $13.65

2.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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BB ($4.15)
UTG ($9.05)
Hero (MP) ($10)
CO ($1.55)
Button ($13.50)
SB ($10.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q, K
1 fold, Hero bets $0.30, 2 folds, SB raises $0.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.70) 5, 2, 9 (2 players)
SB bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.90) A (2 players)
SB bets $2, Hero calls $2

River: ($6.90) 5 (2 players)
SB bets $2.80, Hero raises $6.60 (All-In), SB calls $3.80

Total pot: $20.10

Results:
SB had J, A (flush, Ace high).
Hero had Q, K (flush, King high).
Outcome: SB won $19.15

3.
Turnis suht kindel fold, aga mitte ei tahtnud uskuda vist, et jälle hittis. :S Sest üldiselt peab paika, et turni raise = nuts.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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SB ($10.25)
BB ($9.25)
UTG ($12.70)
Hero (MP) ($10)
Button ($19.85)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q, Q
1 fold, Hero bets $0.30, Button calls $0.30, 1 fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95) 6, J, 2 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.95) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.30, BB raises $3.20, Hero calls $1.90

River: ($8.35) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $5.25 (All-In), Hero calls $5.25

Total pot: $18.85

Results:
BB had Q, A (flush, Ace high).
Hero had Q, Q (two pair, Queens and sixes).
Outcome: BB won $17.95

4.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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UTG ($5.85)
MP ($10)
Button ($5.40)
Hero (SB) ($11.25)
BB ($9.05)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, A
UTG calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.45, BB calls $0.40, 1 fold, MP calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.60) 9, 8, 3 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.90, BB calls $0.90, MP calls $0.90

Turn: ($4.30) 2 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets $1.70, Hero calls $1.70, BB calls $1.70

River: ($9.40) 4 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets $3.20, Hero calls $3.20, 1 fold

Total pot: $15.80

Results:
Hero had 9, A (one pair, nines).
MP had 9, 4 (two pair, nines and fours).
Outcome: MP won $15.05

5.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

SB ($6)
BB ($22.95)
UTG ($11.10)
Hero (MP) ($10)
CO ($4.85)
Button ($2.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K, A
1 fold, Hero bets $0.30, 2 folds, SB raises $1.05, 1 fold, Hero raises $9.70 (All-In), SB calls $4.90 (All-In)

Flop: ($12.10) Q, 6, 5 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($12.10) 10 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($12.10) 9 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $12.10

Results:
SB had J, K (straight, King high).
Hero had K, A (high card, Ace).
Outcome: SB won $11.50

6.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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BB ($21.45)
UTG ($10.50)
MP ($6.45)
CO ($10.70)
Button ($10.30)
Hero (SB) ($11.55)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, 1 fold, Button bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.45, 1 fold, MP calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.60) A, 8, Q (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, Button bets $1.40, Hero calls $1.40, 1 fold

Turn: ($4.40) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $3.70, Hero raises $9.65 (All-In), Button calls $4.70 (All-In)

River: ($21.20) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $21.20

Results:
Button had 8, 8 (three of a kind, eights).
Hero had K, A (two pair, Aces and Kings).
Outcome: Button won $20.15

7.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

BB ($15.40)
UTG ($2.35)
MP ($10.20)
CO ($8.20)
Hero (Button) ($10.20)
SB ($10.05)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J
2 folds, CO calls $0.10, Hero bets $0.40, 2 folds, CO calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.95) 5, 8, 4 (2 players)
CO bets $0.40, Hero raises $1.20, CO calls $0.80

Turn: ($3.35) 9 (2 players)
CO bets $0.40, Hero raises $1.80, CO calls $1.40

River: ($6.95) Q (2 players)
CO bets $4.80 (All-In), Hero calls $4.80

Total pot: $16.55

Results:
Hero had J, J (one pair, Jacks).
CO had 4, Q (two pair, Queens and fours).
Outcome: CO won $15.75

8.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

MP ($15.55)
Button ($1.25)
SB ($4.65)
Hero (BB) ($10)
UTG ($31.70)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A
2 folds, Button calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, Hero bets $0.30, Button calls $0.30, SB calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.20) 2, K, 2 (3 players)
SB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 1 fold

Turn: ($1.80) Q (2 players)
SB bets $0.40, Hero raises $1.20, SB calls $0.80

River: ($4.20) 8 (2 players)
SB bets $2, Hero calls $2

Total pot: $8.20

Results:
SB had 4, Q (flush, King high).
Hero had A, A (two pair, Aces and twos).
Outcome: SB won $7.80

[kuco]

Hmm, üks kehvemaid nädalaid oli kahjuks. Seis oli vahepeal juba täitsa kena, -4,5BI kõigest, kui aga tuli paar-kolm "ilusat" miinussessi. Käsi mängitud NL10-s 21k ja seis -11BI.

Mõned käed mis tõmbasid miinust:
1.

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No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

CO ($22.20)
Button ($7)
SB ($9.90)
BB ($2.50)
Hero (UTG) ($10)
MP ($12.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, J
Hero bets $0.30, 2 folds, Button calls $0.30, 1 fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95) 6, 7, 10 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, Button raises $1, 1 fold, Hero raises $3, Button raises $5, Hero raises $5, Button calls $0.70 (All-In)

Turn: ($14.35) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($14.35) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $14.35

Results:
Button had Q, Q (one pair, Queens).
Hero had J, J (one pair, Jacks).
Outcome: Button won $13.65

Mina keeldun ülepaar maha viskamast, kui selline preflop mäng on olnud.

2.

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No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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BB ($4.15)
UTG ($9.05)
Hero (MP) ($10)
CO ($1.55)
Button ($13.50)
SB ($10.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q, K
1 fold, Hero bets $0.30, 2 folds, SB raises $0.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.70) 5, 2, 9 (2 players)
SB bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.90) A (2 players)
SB bets $2, Hero calls $2

River: ($6.90) 5 (2 players)
SB bets $2.80, Hero raises $6.60 (All-In), SB calls $3.80

Total pot: $20.10

Results:
SB had J, A (flush, Ace high).
Hero had Q, K (flush, King high).
Outcome: SB won $19.15

Cooler aga minu meelest tuleks turnis otsa panna. Sul on ikkagi 2nd nuts

3.

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Turnis suht kindel fold, aga mitte ei tahtnud uskuda vist, et jälle hittis. :S Sest üldiselt peab paika, et turni raise = nuts.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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SB ($10.25)
BB ($9.25)
UTG ($12.70)
Hero (MP) ($10)
Button ($19.85)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q, Q
1 fold, Hero bets $0.30, Button calls $0.30, 1 fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95) 6, J, 2 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.95) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.30, BB raises $3.20, Hero calls $1.90

River: ($8.35) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $5.25 (All-In), Hero calls $5.25

Total pot: $18.85

Results:
BB had Q, A (flush, Ace high).
Hero had Q, Q (two pair, Queens and sixes).
Outcome: BB won $17.95

Riveriks biitisid ainult Jx ärtuga.

4.

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No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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UTG ($5.85)
MP ($10)
Button ($5.40)
Hero (SB) ($11.25)
BB ($9.05)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, A
UTG calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.45, BB calls $0.40, 1 fold, MP calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.60) 9, 8, 3 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.90, BB calls $0.90, MP calls $0.90

Turn: ($4.30) 2 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets $1.70, Hero calls $1.70, BB calls $1.70

River: ($9.40) 4 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets $3.20, Hero calls $3.20, 1 fold

Total pot: $15.80

Preflop raise rohkem ... 4BB + limperid + OOP, = $0.7 oleks palju parem
Flopis veidi rohkem cbetina ... TPTK aka nuts ja väga drawheavy board on.


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No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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SB ($6)
BB ($22.95)
UTG ($11.10)
Hero (MP) ($10)
CO ($4.85)
Button ($2.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K, A
1 fold, Hero bets $0.30, 2 folds, SB raises $1.05, 1 fold, Hero raises $9.70 (All-In), SB calls $4.90 (All-In)

Flop: ($12.10) Q, 6, 5 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($12.10) 10 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($12.10) 9 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $12.10

Results:
SB had J, K (straight, King high).
Hero had K, A (high card, Ace).
Outcome: SB won $11.50

Tahtis välja teha aga ei õnnestunud.


6.

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No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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BB ($21.45)
UTG ($10.50)
MP ($6.45)
CO ($10.70)
Button ($10.30)
Hero (SB) ($11.55)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, 1 fold, Button bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.45, 1 fold, MP calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.60) A, 8, Q (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, Button bets $1.40, Hero calls $1.40, 1 fold

Turn: ($4.40) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $3.70, Hero raises $9.65 (All-In), Button calls $4.70 (All-In)

River: ($21.20) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $21.20

Results:
Button had 8, 8 (three of a kind, eights).
Hero had K, A (two pair, Aces and Kings).
Outcome: Button won $20.15

Preflop 3bet 1.6 - 1.7 peale ja flopis broke
Turnis keerasid põhimõtteliselt oma TPTK käe bluffiks
Vaata vastase betsizingut. 2 tänavat oli pannud praktiliselt poti. Note kirja, et betib mosteriga palju...


7.

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No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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BB ($15.40)
UTG ($2.35)
MP ($10.20)
CO ($8.20)
Hero (Button) ($10.20)
SB ($10.05)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J
2 folds, CO calls $0.10, Hero bets $0.40, 2 folds, CO calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.95) 5, 8, 4 (2 players)
CO bets $0.40, Hero raises $1.20, CO calls $0.80

Turn: ($3.35) 9 (2 players)
CO bets $0.40, Hero raises $1.80, CO calls $1.40

River: ($6.95) Q (2 players)
CO bets $4.80 (All-In), Hero calls $4.80

Total pot: $16.55

Results:
Hero had J, J (one pair, Jacks).
CO had 4, Q (two pair, Queens and fours).
Outcome: CO won $15.75

Preflop $0.5 ka flopi donkbetidele pane palju otsa. 3x on vähe kui just ei ole read, et ta teeb seda tugeva käega.
85+% juhtudest on seal draw või weak made hand.


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No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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MP ($15.55)
Button ($1.25)
SB ($4.65)
Hero (BB) ($10)
UTG ($31.70)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A
2 folds, Button calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, Hero bets $0.30, Button calls $0.30, SB calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.20) 2, K, 2 (3 players)
SB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 1 fold

Turn: ($1.80) Q (2 players)
SB bets $0.40, Hero raises $1.20, SB calls $0.80

River: ($4.20) 8 (2 players)
SB bets $2, Hero calls $2

Total pot: $8.20

Results:
SB had 4, Q (flush, King high).
Hero had A, A (two pair, Aces and twos).
Outcome: SB won $7.80

Preflop raise rohkem ... $0.6
Flopis kindel raise ja kui callima hakkad siis ära turnis raisema küll hakka.

[krayzie]

peale viienda käe on kõik lolbad awful. wtf ???

[krayzie]

1. käes ma ei fänna flopis broke minemist. kui nupud sisse lähevad siis me kas flipime või oleme pikalt taga. pigem calli see minraise ja reeval turn. kui ükski draw ei hiti võib proovida maha callida ja odav showdown saada.
2. käes RAISE THE SHIT UP, sul on monster ikkagi, villain läheb seal flopil kasvõi iga pair+fd käega broke (+overpairid). sa tahad ju rahasi sisse saada aga kui callides mingeid 1/3 psb'si lased sa villainil odavalt drawida + tulevased streetid võivad tappa actioni.
3. tundub suht lihtne fold turnis, isegi kui callida siis riveril callides biidid sa....hmmm?
4. turn on maailma lihtsaim b/f.
5. std suht
6. 3bet pre oleks mõistlik. as played flat turn ja flat any river oleks loogilisem, me ei taha ju et ta halvemad käed foldiks.
7. Turn on suht kohutav. Selline kakaraise ei saavuta midagi. Emba kumba kas teha korraliku suurusega raise mis ei jäta riveriks sellist otsust või siis callid ja callid ka iga riveri.
8. preflop kahe limperi vastu on 3x bb vähe. flopis võib julgelt $1.2 peale tõsta, ükski kuningas ega mastitõmme seal ei niikunii foldi (prolly ka mõned madalamad paarid) ja Q turn ei muuda ka mitte midagi. As played on turni raise ka liiga väike.