NL2-5 mängijate nurgake

[daljoh]

Kuna siia on foorumisse on tekkinud päris palju uut rahvast ning päris paljud on just alustajad siis mõtlesin, et võiks teha siia sellise väikese nurgakese kus saaks super-micro asju arutada. Ning ei pea suuremate limiitide käte hulgast omi väikseid postitusi taga ajama!

Oodatud siis kõik kes mängivad PL ja/või NL2-5.
Ma küll ei ole mingi reeglite tegija siin foorumis aga mõned sooviks teha siiski.

• 1 postitus korraga, nagu siin üldiselt kombeks on
• Olge head pange oma siia oma converditud käed ning pange need spoilerisse. Kogu asi muutub seeläbi lühemaks ja meil kõigil on vähem üles alla kerimist!
• Kindlasti lisage oma postitusele pealkiri....no nagu ikka nt AK ja FD board v midagi sellist. On ülevaatlikum või nii!
• Kuu lõpus võiks siia panna ka oma graafikud, see ka selline ülevaatlik asi rohkem.

Kindlasti ootaks siia käte kohta arvamusi ka suuremate limiitide mängijatelt, kes on oma vitsad super-microdes juba saanud ning oskavad soovitusi jagada! :)

Seega kõikide tubade super-micro mehed ühinegem! :D

P.S - Ja kui oleks võimalik stikyks ning boldi siis oleks moderaatoritele üli tänulik!

[0ttt]

Üheskoos suudame microt biitida! 8)

[daljoh]

55 FD flopil, 2 vastast.

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SB ($1.80)
BB ($3.61)
UTG ($5.32) 4 kätt
UTG+1 ($1.62) 5 kätt
MP1 ($3.40)
Hero (MP2) ($5)
MP3 ($0.93)
CO ($0.68)
Button ($1.43)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 5, 5
UTG bets $0.10, UTG+1 raises to $0.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.15, 5 folds, UTG calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.52) 7, 10, 5 (3 players)
UTG bets $0.05, UTG+1 raises to $0.10, Hero raises to $0.60, UTG calls $0.55, UTG+1 raises to $1.10, Hero calls $0.50, UTG calls $0.50

Turn: ($3.82) K (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $0.05, Hero raises to $0.40, UTG calls $0.40, UTG+1 calls $0.32 (All-In)

River: ($4.99) J (3 players, 1 all-in)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $4.99 | Rake: $0.33
Main pot: $4.93 between UTG, UTG+1 and Hero, won by Hero
Side pot 1: $0.06 between UTG and Hero, won by Hero

Results:
UTG had 4, A (high card, Ace).
UTG+1 had 10, A (one pair, tens).
Hero had 5, 5 (three of a kind, fives).
Outcome: Hero won $4.66

Viimane check oli enda arvates väga väga halvasti tehtud. Oleks pidanud seal panustama. aga millegi pärast ma ei teinud seda, kartsin äkki alateadvuses suuremat kolmikut

[0ttt]

Paar huvitavat kätt peale -2BI sessi.

Flopped trips 3bet shove

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Hero (SB) ($2.47)
BB ($1.97)
UTG ($0.48)
MP ($1.25)
Button ($2.73)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, A
3 folds, Button calls $0.01, Hero bets $0.10, Button calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.20) A, 3, A (2 players)
Button checks, Hero bets $0.12, Button raises to $0.56, Hero raises to $2.37 (All-In), Button calls $1.81

Turn: ($4.94) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($4.94) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $4.94 | Rake: $0.32

Results below:
Button had 8, 5 (flush, Ace high).
Hero had J, A (three of a kind, Aces).
Outcome: Button won $4.62

TPTK on paired board

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Hero (MP2) ($2)
CO ($1.74)
Button ($0.89)
SB ($1.82)
BB ($2.78)
UTG ($0.72)
UTG+1 ($2)
MP1 ($0.84)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, J
3 folds, Hero bets $0.08, CO calls $0.06, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.19) 10, 6, J (2 players)
Hero bets $0.14, CO calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.47) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.26, CO raises to $0.52, Hero raises to $1.78 (All-In), CO calls $0.99 (All-In)

River: ($3.49) 5 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $3.49 | Rake: $0.23

Results below:
Hero had A, J (two pair, Jacks and tens).
CO had 10, Q (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: CO won $3.27

[bauss]

55 FD flopil, 2 vastast.

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SB ($1.80)
BB ($3.61)
UTG ($5.32) 4 kätt
UTG+1 ($1.62) 5 kätt
MP1 ($3.40)
Hero (MP2) ($5)
MP3 ($0.93)
CO ($0.68)
Button ($1.43)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 5, 5
UTG bets $0.10, UTG+1 raises to $0.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.15, 5 folds, UTG calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.52) 7, 10, 5 (3 players)
UTG bets $0.05, UTG+1 raises to $0.10, Hero raises to $0.60, UTG calls $0.55, UTG+1 raises to $1.10, Hero calls $0.50, UTG calls $0.50

Turn: ($3.82) K (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $0.05, Hero raises to $0.40, UTG calls $0.40, UTG+1 calls $0.32 (All-In)

River: ($4.99) J (3 players, 1 all-in)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $4.99 | Rake: $0.33
Main pot: $4.93 between UTG, UTG+1 and Hero, won by Hero
Side pot 1: $0.06 between UTG and Hero, won by Hero

Results:
UTG had 4, A (high card, Ace).
UTG+1 had 10, A (one pair, tens).
Hero had 5, 5 (three of a kind, fives).
Outcome: Hero won $4.66

Viimane check oli enda arvates väga väga halvasti tehtud. Oleks pidanud seal panustama. aga millegi pärast ma ei teinud seda, kartsin äkki alateadvuses suuremat kolmikut

Betsizing on küll halb siin ju.
Kui flopi flatid, siis peaksid turnis raudselt nupud sisse saama ja ei oleks seda ??? river checki ka seal.

[daljoh]

Paar huvitavat kätt peale -2BI sessi.

Flopped trips 3bet shove

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Hero (SB) ($2.47)
BB ($1.97)
UTG ($0.48)
MP ($1.25)
Button ($2.73)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, A
3 folds, Button calls $0.01, Hero bets $0.10, Button calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.20) A, 3, A (2 players)
Button checks, Hero bets $0.12, Button raises to $0.56, Hero raises to $2.37 (All-In), Button calls $1.81

Turn: ($4.94) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($4.94) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $4.94 | Rake: $0.32

Results below:
Button had 8, 5 (flush, Ace high).
Hero had J, A (three of a kind, Aces).
Outcome: Button won $4.62

TPTK on paired board

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Hero (MP2) ($2)
CO ($1.74)
Button ($0.89)
SB ($1.82)
BB ($2.78)
UTG ($0.72)
UTG+1 ($2)
MP1 ($0.84)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, J
3 folds, Hero bets $0.08, CO calls $0.06, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.19) 10, 6, J (2 players)
Hero bets $0.14, CO calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.47) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.26, CO raises to $0.52, Hero raises to $1.78 (All-In), CO calls $0.99 (All-In)

River: ($3.49) 5 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $3.49 | Rake: $0.23

Results below:
Hero had A, J (two pair, Jacks and tens).
CO had 10, Q (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: CO won $3.27

1. Oleks sama moodi mänginud.
2. Turni reraise oleks callinud ja hoo maha võtnud. Kuna ta flopis callis siis ilmselt millelegi ta sai pihta flopil. Oleks vaadanud mis riveris saab.

[daljoh]

KK FD flop + A riveris

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MP2 ($4.68)
CO ($2.57)
Button ($1.85)
SB ($7.81) 17/9/6.3 500 kätt
BB ($5.19)
Hero (UTG) ($5)
MP1 ($5.86)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, K
Hero bets $0.20, 4 folds, SB calls $0.18, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.45) 9, 2, 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.35, SB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.15

Turn: ($3.45) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($3.45) A (2 players)
SB bets $3.45, Hero folds

Total pot: $3.45 | Rake: $0.23
Main pot: $3.45 returned to SB

Results:
SB didn't show
Outcome: SB won $3.22

Kas oleks pidanud flopis 3bet panema?

[0ttt]

KK FD flop + A riveris

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MP2 ($4.68)
CO ($2.57)
Button ($1.85)
SB ($7.81) 17/9/6.3 500 kätt
BB ($5.19)
Hero (UTG) ($5)
MP1 ($5.86)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, K
Hero bets $0.20, 4 folds, SB calls $0.18, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.45) 9, 2, 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.35, SB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.15

Turn: ($3.45) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($3.45) A (2 players)
SB bets $3.45, Hero folds

Total pot: $3.45 | Rake: $0.23
Main pot: $3.45 returned to SB

Results:
SB didn't show
Outcome: SB won $3.22

Kas oleks pidanud flopis 3bet panema?

Ise oleks 3bettinud.

[mislinn]

KK FD flop + A riveris

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MP2 ($4.68)
CO ($2.57)
Button ($1.85)
SB ($7.81) 17/9/6.3 500 kätt
BB ($5.19)
Hero (UTG) ($5)
MP1 ($5.86)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, K
Hero bets $0.20, 4 folds, SB calls $0.18, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.45) 9, 2, 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.35, SB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.15

Turn: ($3.45) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($3.45) A (2 players)
SB bets $3.45, Hero folds

Total pot: $3.45 | Rake: $0.23
Main pot: $3.45 returned to SB

Results:
SB didn't show
Outcome: SB won $3.22

Kas oleks pidanud flopis 3bet panema?

Flopis raha sisse, vähemalt nii oleks mina teinud.

[Cash87]

Minu arust hästi mängitud :)

Aga mida teeksid kui riveril oleks ohutu kaart? snapcall?

[vapsik]

55 FD flopil, 2 vastast.

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SB ($1.80)
BB ($3.61)
UTG ($5.32) 4 kätt
UTG+1 ($1.62) 5 kätt
MP1 ($3.40)
Hero (MP2) ($5)
MP3 ($0.93)
CO ($0.68)
Button ($1.43)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 5, 5
UTG bets $0.10, UTG+1 raises to $0.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.15, 5 folds, UTG calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.52) 7, 10, 5 (3 players)
UTG bets $0.05, UTG+1 raises to $0.10, Hero raises to $0.60, UTG calls $0.55, UTG+1 raises to $1.10, Hero calls $0.50, UTG calls $0.50

Turn: ($3.82) K (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $0.05, Hero raises to $0.40, UTG calls $0.40, UTG+1 calls $0.32 (All-In)

River: ($4.99) J (3 players, 1 all-in)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $4.99 | Rake: $0.33
Main pot: $4.93 between UTG, UTG+1 and Hero, won by Hero
Side pot 1: $0.06 between UTG and Hero, won by Hero

Results:
UTG had 4, A (high card, Ace).
UTG+1 had 10, A (one pair, tens).
Hero had 5, 5 (three of a kind, fives).
Outcome: Hero won $4.66

Viimane check oli enda arvates väga väga halvasti tehtud. Oleks pidanud seal panustama. aga millegi pärast ma ei teinud seda, kartsin äkki alateadvuses suuremat kolmikut

Panusta suuremalt, Sul on väga hea käsi ning odavalt ei tasu neile järgmist kaarti anda, sest maas on palju tõmbeid. Ma paneks juba flopil vähemalt paarkümmend senti rohkem.
Turnil tasuks ka rohkem panna üle 3$ isegi vist veits. Riveril võiks vähemalt väikse valuebetti panna, (kuskil pool potti ehk) sest masti kohale ei jõudnud.

[vapsik]

Paar huvitavat kätt peale -2BI sessi.

Flopped trips 3bet shove

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Hero (SB) ($2.47)
BB ($1.97)
UTG ($0.48)
MP ($1.25)
Button ($2.73)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, A
3 folds, Button calls $0.01, Hero bets $0.10, Button calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.20) A, 3, A (2 players)
Button checks, Hero bets $0.12, Button raises to $0.56, Hero raises to $2.37 (All-In), Button calls $1.81

Turn: ($4.94) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($4.94) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $4.94 | Rake: $0.32

Results below:
Button had 8, 5 (flush, Ace high).
Hero had J, A (three of a kind, Aces).
Outcome: Button won $4.62

TPTK on paired board

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Hero (MP2) ($2)
CO ($1.74)
Button ($0.89)
SB ($1.82)
BB ($2.78)
UTG ($0.72)
UTG+1 ($2)
MP1 ($0.84)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, J
3 folds, Hero bets $0.08, CO calls $0.06, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.19) 10, 6, J (2 players)
Hero bets $0.14, CO calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.47) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.26, CO raises to $0.52, Hero raises to $1.78 (All-In), CO calls $0.99 (All-In)

River: ($3.49) 5 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $3.49 | Rake: $0.23

Results below:
Hero had A, J (two pair, Jacks and tens).
CO had 10, Q (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: CO won $3.27

1. käsi on täitsa okei
2. käsi pmst baluga teoreem. väga selline koht ei meeldi, aga kuna vastane sellise väikse stäkiga, siis vist ägiseks ja mängiks samamoodi seal:

2+2-st copypaste Baluga teoreemi kohta:
BelugaWhale Theorem - When you are the preflop raiser and your turn bet is raised or check/raised, it is time to re-evaluate one pair hands.

Reasoning: In raised pots, most players will just call down with one pair (be it pocket pair or top pair) type hands as well as draws. The turn is where most players who flopped a monster stop slowplaying and try to build pot. Or, they raise if they hit their draw.

Application: A raise on the turn is a signal to re-evaluate where you are at. It is not and automatic fold but you need to consider if villain has a monster or just hit his draw.

Reliability: Against fish and bad players in general, with the exception sometimes of LAGs and maniacs, this is a VERY reliably theorem. However, it is also an extremely popular and well known theorem, perhaps the best known. A lot of good players, particularly 2+2 players can try to exploit this theorem, especially by floating. So depending on the player (a decent player who is ALSO capable of making a play) you may need to discount this theorem considerably.

Reference: http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...t=1&PHPSESSID=

[vapsik]

KK FD flop + A riveris

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MP2 ($4.68)
CO ($2.57)
Button ($1.85)
SB ($7.81) 17/9/6.3 500 kätt
BB ($5.19)
Hero (UTG) ($5)
MP1 ($5.86)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, K
Hero bets $0.20, 4 folds, SB calls $0.18, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.45) 9, 2, 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.35, SB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.15

Turn: ($3.45) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($3.45) A (2 players)
SB bets $3.45, Hero folds

Total pot: $3.45 | Rake: $0.23
Main pot: $3.45 returned to SB

Results:
SB didn't show
Outcome: SB won $3.22

Kas oleks pidanud flopis 3bet panema?

Ülepaar on selles limiidis ikka suht nuts käsi, ma oleks nupud sisse ajanud flopil, ma usun, et päris paljud kehvemad käed calliks seal. Ülepaarid, ehk isegi mingi TPTK, samuti ka mastitõmbed.

[0ttt]

1. käsi on täitsa okei
2. käsi pmst baluga teoreem. väga selline koht ei meeldi, aga kuna vastane sellise väikse stäkiga, siis vist ägiseks ja mängiks samamoodi seal:

2+2-st copypaste Baluga teoreemi kohta:
BelugaWhale Theorem - When you are the preflop raiser and your turn bet is raised or check/raised, it is time to re-evaluate one pair hands.

Reasoning: In raised pots, most players will just call down with one pair (be it pocket pair or top pair) type hands as well as draws. The turn is where most players who flopped a monster stop slowplaying and try to build pot. Or, they raise if they hit their draw.

Application: A raise on the turn is a signal to re-evaluate where you are at. It is not and automatic fold but you need to consider if villain has a monster or just hit his draw.

Reliability: Against fish and bad players in general, with the exception sometimes of LAGs and maniacs, this is a VERY reliably theorem. However, it is also an extremely popular and well known theorem, perhaps the best known. A lot of good players, particularly 2+2 players can try to exploit this theorem, especially by floating. So depending on the player (a decent player who is ALSO capable of making a play) you may need to discount this theorem considerably.

Reference: http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...t=1&PHPSESSID=

Tänan, väärt lugemine!

[daljoh]

Nagu ma korduvalt olen vist juba öelnud siis kõik Vapsiku kommentaarid/arvustused/nõuanded on NUTS!!!

Peaks tegema mingi värgi, et nt kuu kokku võttes, kes on teinud/andnud ettepanekuid/soovitusi (mis mängu on ka reaalselt parandanud), see saab nt neli metallpurgitäit mõdujooki!

Hetkel juhib seda edetabelit minu jaoks Vapsik. :D

[nikitheone]

Väärt teema on see. Ise üritan praegu ka aru saada NL 5'st ja järgide kõikide soovitusi (ole agro, ära slowplay, väga tight) aga tulemus on kohutav - hetkel olen kaotanud ca 5-6 BI. Ei jaga matsu välja, mis toimub. Üritan end siis veel tightimaks võtta :)

[Staier]

Õigesti mängitud või mitte ???

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MP1 ($2.08)
MP2 ($1.51)
CO ($1.56)
Button ($0.86)
SB ($2.05)
Hero (BB) ($1.97)
UTG ($1.72)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, 6
UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.02, 2 folds, SB calls $0.01, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.08) J, 6, 6 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.05, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.05, SB raises to $0.12, Hero calls $0.07, MP2 calls $0.07

Turn: ($0.44) Q (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.04, MP2 calls $0.04, 1 fold

River: ($0.52) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $0.10, MP2 raises to $0.36, Hero calls $0.26

Total pot: $1.24 | Rake: $0.08

Results below:
Hero had Q, 6 (full house, Queens over sixes).
MP2 had J, Q (full house, Queens over Jacks).
Outcome: MP2 won $1.16

[daljoh]

Õigesti mängitud või mitte ???

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MP1 ($2.08)
MP2 ($1.51)
CO ($1.56)
Button ($0.86)
SB ($2.05)
Hero (BB) ($1.97)
UTG ($1.72)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, 6
UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.02, 2 folds, SB calls $0.01, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.08) J, 6, 6 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.05, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.05, SB raises to $0.12, Hero calls $0.07, MP2 calls $0.07

Turn: ($0.44) Q (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.04, MP2 calls $0.04, 1 fold

River: ($0.52) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $0.10, MP2 raises to $0.36, Hero calls $0.26

Total pot: $1.24 | Rake: $0.08

Results below:
Hero had Q, 6 (full house, Queens over sixes).
MP2 had J, Q (full house, Queens over Jacks).
Outcome: MP2 won $1.16

Krt ma oleks siin sama moodi mänginud. QJ peale teda pannud ei oleks küll vist. kui sull villaini state oleks oleks ka hea.

[daljoh]

See asi ka veel et kui viitsite pange oma kasutajanimed ka siia.

Ma elan hetkel ainult FTs ja kasutaja on nagu ikka: daljoh

P.S nüüd võite mind leida nl2, kuna nädalavahetusega kukkusin mingi 21$ ja olen alla 75$ piiri, mis oli siis piir et mängida nl5.

[nikitheone]

Ma oleks turnis rohkem pannud. Ebajopp lihtsalt

(ft:kalaniki)