Sick grinder

[levis]

tal tegelt see graafik ikka sittakanti alla läinud

sick sick sick
rs03rs03 (PokerStars)

http://www.shortstacked.co.uk/genera...at-is-rs03rs03

[Priidix]

kurb:( algus on liiga ilus.

[qbj0hn]

175 lauda korraga,wtf :D

Ega see kodanik juhuslikult Steven Hawkins pole :D?

[levis]

175 lauda korraga,wtf :D
Ega see kodanik juhuslikult Steven Hawkins pole :D?

He does indeed play about 14 hours a day on average, non-stop, keeping
around 90 tables open, mostly folding.
Yeah, he's a sick grinder, but we've thrown all of our best bot detection tools against
him, and he doesn't show any signs of being a bot. We've analyzed his
session times, the computers he plays from, and more. He doesn't appear to
be account sharing, either.

Everything we see tells us "sick grinder", rather than bot.

I hope this has answered your question completely. Please do not hesitate
to let us know any time you need anything.

Best Regards,

Jeff
PokerStars Game Security

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[qbj0hn]

Props seljuhul

[levis]

Props seljuhul

Ei tea, ei ole vist.
Seal on vahvalt kirjas http://www.pokerprolabs.com/rs03rs03/pokerstars.aspx
Professional Poker Player (Guinness Book Record)

Saatsin selle grinderiga seoses Pokerstarsi ühe emaili, paljud on seda vist juba teinud :) Ma lihtsalt ei suuda uskuda, et tegemist on lihast ja luust inimesega, kes ausalt pokkerit mängib. Kui mängid 60+ lauda ja ühegi otsuse peale ei kuluta kordagi üle 4 sekundi, siis see pole normaalne. Ma olen mänginud ~40 DON STT-d korraga ja tean, et vahel käed kuhjuvad nii, et klõpsid nagu segane.
Ning ta vist mängib kohati lausa 100+ lauda ja mingi 14+ tundi päevas ja nii igapäev.
100+ STT-d korraga ühelt 2p2 tüübilt:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/16...ftware-777916/
Obv tal jooksid osad lauad time out jne.

Samas kui see rs03rs03 tõesti teeb vigu ja foldib AA,KK jne. nagu Pokerstarsist vist väideti, siis ma küll ei tea, et mida enam uskuda.

edit: Pokerstarsi vastus tuli ülimalt kiiretl, obv mingi copy/paste vastus neil:

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Thanks for your report of suspected bot (or automated) play.

Bots are not tolerated at PokerStars.

In order to ensure that every player is human, we operate an extensive
arsenal of bot detection measures, which are supported by manual
investigation by technical experts. Additionally, we always investigate
individual reports such as yours.

Although we cannot provide you with a detailed report on our investigation,
in order to maintain secrecy of our detection methods from bot programmers,
we will certainly advise you of our overall findings.

Thanks again for your report, and for helping to maintain the integrity of
PokerStars' games. Best of luck at the tables.

Kind regards,

Sven
PokerStars Support Team

[macroTilt]

90 v6i 100 lauda tundub ka mulle kummaline. 140 lauda? 175 lauda??? unreal, lol.
ise maletan end mangivat 40-60 laual. ja kui yle 50 laua oli korraga lahti, siis piltlikult jooksis vahest juhe kokku. lisaks, l6pumangus (enamus lauad 5-7handed) hakkas sit oute sisse tulema jm. Kaartide nagu KK ja AA fold on ka mulle tuttab. Donides sai neid folditud ikka massiliselt. tahtlikult? eiei :) "liiga head/kiired reflexid".

kogu story teeb imelikus aga asjaolu, et tyyp ei viitsi/taha/oska? oma mangu muudatusi sisse viia. lol@ 220000 mangu swongi. ahahahahaaaa.

k6igest hoolimata usun, et tegu on lihast ja luust inimesega. superhuman :)

[levis]

k6igest hoolimata usun, et tegu on lihast ja luust inimesega. superhuman :)

http://www.pokerprolabs.com/
järgi on ta viimase 7 päeva jooksul mänginud 21600 stt-d (mänguga miinust $643.30, rake ~2160$)
See teeb 3086 mängu päevas, mis teeb omakorda 128 STT-d tunnis kui mängida 24h jutti! Ütleme, et ta mängib 12-14 tundi, see on siis ~230 STT-d tunnis. Üks STT kestab 25-45 minutit, seega korraga tagus 115+ lauda, mida ta vist umbes teebki.
Nüüd kui käed natukenegi kuhjuvad, siis osadel laudadel peaks aeg-ajalt tekkima viivitus 5+ sekundit, aga seda ei ole näha. (+laudu peab ka pidevalt avama)
Millega seda seletada?
1.Ta taob kohati täiesti umbes fold, fold, fold, all-in ilma, et üldse kaarte või veel vähem stacki suurust ning olukorda lauas vaataks.
2.Ta kasutab mingit sorti boti abi, mis näiteks ilmselged fold käed viskab automaatselt minema.
3.Mängib bot ja keegi on pidevalt arvuti taga kontrollimas olukorda jne. +võib-olla Pokerstarsist tahetakse mingit kontrolli teha, et kas tegemist on botiga.
4.Tegemist on tulnukaga, kelle reageerimise kiirus on tavainimese 0.2s asemel 0.02s

Pokerstars:
"......Again, we cannot violate the player's privacy and explain their strategy, but they did demonstrate it for us, and it agrees with observation and explains how they can make so many decisions so quickly."

5. "they" did demonstrate - nii siis üks arvuti +3hiirt(eraldi kursorid) +3monitori ja 3 mängijat, mis ei tohiks küll lubatud olla, aga strateegia pühendab abinõu. Pigem ma siiski usun seda tulnuka teooriat :)

edit: jorisesin veel natuke Pokerstarsi suppordi kallal ja sain copy/paste täpselt sama emaili:

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Hello PokerStars Players,

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Please rest assured that we do not tolerate automated players (bots) on PokerStars. We have an extensive arsenal of detection tools in order to ensure that each player is a human being.

We have been monitoring and examining 'rs03rs03' using those tools for quite some time, and the player has always shown very human characteristics, and an ability to pass various tests, including CAPTCHA and many others. Despite this, we, too, have been concerned with the seemingly astonishing volume of play exhibited by this player, especially in recent weeks as his volume has increased dramatically.

As such, we recently froze his account and asked the player for a controlled demonstration, and the player agreed. We dispatched a PokerStars representative to the player's home to observe several hours of play on June 1st, 2010. That observation convinced us that the player is not using a bot.

We cannot violate the player's privacy -- the player has asked to remain anonymous, and not to discuss their strategy. However, among our observations:

1) The player uses a set of self-written hotkeys similar to many commercially available suites (TableNinja.com comes to mind).

- The hotkeys manage automatically joining tables without regard to opponent selection
- The hotkeys close unnecessary popups like "It is free to check", automatically
- The hotkeys require the player to enter every bet, raise, check, or fold manually

2) Both in prior play, and during our in-person observation, we witnessed many "mistakes", such as pre-flop folds of AA and KK.

3) The player was able to verbally chat with our representative during play, while continuing to play.

4) We took video of the play at various times, and conducted tests at various times during the observation (such as unexpectedly asking the player to remove their hands from they keyboard, to observe whether play stopped... and it did).

We observed well over 3 hours of play, and then compared the play we observed to historical records of past play. We cannot divulge exactly what we compared, though we can say that it did include comparing his hand selection, action timing, and many other aspects. The resulting comparison very strongly indicates that the prior play is statistically identical to the observed play.

In short, our bot detection tools have borne themselves out here very nicely. The tools always indicated that the player appeared human despite ever-increasing hours of play and concurrent tables. Now, through our observations, we've independently confirmed those findings.

Please rest assured that PokerStars remains vigilant in proactively hunting for bots. We will continue to review players of concern with our tools, and continue to enhance those tools to ensure that PokerStars remains as free of bots as possible. When we find bots, we remove them from our games. We are pleased to report, however, that 'rs03rs03' is human.

Best Regards,

Jeff
PokerStars Game Security

[levis]

Kuna ma ei jäänud PSi seletustega kuidagi rahule, siis nüüd sain uue vastuse.
Väidavad, et ta ei tee kõiki otsuseid kiiremini kui 4 sekundit. Niipalju kui mina jälgisin, siis ma ei näinud ühtegi sellist otsust, kus läheb tal aega rohkem kui 4 sekundit. Võib-olla vahel harva tuleb 5 sekundit ja seda nad siis silmas peavadki lol
Ma ikka ei saa aru, et kuidas see võimalik on, see rs03rs03 on nii krdi bot kui bot... Inimene ei saa mängida 100+ lauda nii kiiresti kui tema seda teeb ja veel igapäev 14+ tundi. Isegi 50+ lauda ei saa sedasi mängida... Kui just ei kasuta mingit preflop auto-fold süsteemi, mis on keelatud. Aga Pokerstars ütleb ikka, et sa küll näed kaelkirjakut, aga tegelikult on see roosa elevant... usu meid, meie kontrollisime.... hotkeys; "snap" decisions, quantum entanglement, metaphysical thinking, pink elephant...

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Thank you for your further response.

All of rs03rs03's decisions are not made within 4 seconds. Granted, many of
them are in order to play 100 tables simultaneously but not all.

How this achieved? As you can see from the YouTube video you linked to
(which is not 'rs03rs03', but another PokerStars player) many of these
decisions are "snap" decisions, that is, they look at their cards and if
they are good they raise all-in (via the use of a hotkey) otherwise they
fold. Their decisions don't take into consideration their position or their
opponent's tendencies or other factors you or I may think about.

Unfortunately, as mentioned by Ian, we can't go into any more detail about
rs03rs03's strategy as they asked such data to remain private, suffice to
say we've reviewed the player multiple times, observed their play in the
flesh and contrasted this with their recorded play and can confirm that
their actions are indeed human.

If you have any further concerns, please don't hesitate to contact us again.


Regards,

Jackson
PokerStars Game Security

Võitluses tuuleveskitega jään siin alla ja taganen hetkel.

[qbj0hn]

Miks sulle see vend nii korda läheb ma ei saa aru :D

[levis]

esimene graafik 30.juuli ja teine 4-5 päeva hiljem:

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Ma ei usu ealeski, et 1$ DON STT-de peal mängijate tase kaboom sedasi tõusis, et ühel hetkel graafik seepärast kukkuma hakkas.
Miks see vend korda läheb, siis võib-olla seepärast, et rs03rs03 on nagu UFO pokkerimaastikul ja UFO lood on huvitavad :)
Eriti veel kui mängus on doomswitch ja trajektooriks parabool lol

[macroTilt]

esimene graafik 30.juuli ja teine 4-5 päeva hiljem:

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Ma ei usu ealeski, et 1$ DON STT-de peal mängijate tase kaboom sedasi tõusis, et ühel hetkel graafik seepärast kukkuma hakkas.
Miks see vend korda läheb, siis võib-olla seepärast, et rs03rs03 on nagu UFO pokkerimaastikul ja UFO lood on huvitavad :)
Eriti veel kui mängus on doomswitch ja trajektooriks parabool lol

uuri jah, mis sorti UFOga tegu on. gl.
*viimane vabalangus impressive shit!

[Kloonike]

Levis, sa tõlgid inglise keelest valesti.

Ta ei tee kõiki otsuseid kiiremini kui 4 sekundit. vs Mitte kõik otsused on tehtud kiiremini kui 4 sekundit.

[Divide03]

Kusjuures ma ise pooldan ka massgrindimist igatepidi, saaks ise kh sellise jooksupeale kuidagi ja leiaks oma mängu!

[levis]

Levis, sa tõlgid inglise keelest valesti.

Ta ei tee kõiki otsuseid kiiremini kui 4 sekundit. vs Mitte kõik otsused on tehtud kiiremini kui 4 sekundit.

Võib-olla veel täpsem on siis, et... Kõik rs03rs03 otsused ei ole tehtud 4 sekundi sees.(All of rs03rs03's decisions are not made within 4 seconds.)

Eks ma suvalt ja kiiruga tõlkisin asja mõtet, see ju jääb samaks või mis? Seega ma ei saa probleemist aru, sry.

[Kloonike]

Ma tõlgendasin sinu teksti nii, et tal on kõik "kiirelt" tehtud otsused ning PS väidab, et alla 4s ei võta neist üksi. Jätame selle, tühi arusaamatus.

[peete82]

Olen kah temaga ca 2000 kätt mänginud. Tegelikult on tema vastu väga lihtne mängida.
Kui ta lükkab alg- ja keskfaasis all-in, siis seal on kindlalt AA, KK.
Kui limbib, siis setmineb ja kui flopis tõsta, siis viskab suht alati ära.
Lõppfaasis stealib ATC, seega kui kätt on, võib callida.
Temalt stealida saab alati, fold to steal on tal 100 lähedal.
Tema viga on see, et keskfaasis (25/50-75/150 blindid) ta ei steali (selles ongi mängu võti) ja kuivab lõpuks kokku.
Selge see, et niimoodi massgrindides ei saa vastaste statte jälgida.

[levis]

Meridiaan ületatud:

[Priidix]

Kahju hakkab juba, eile läks nett ka tal ära. D

[Fabulous]

Huvitav, palju tal veel bustoni minna on...