**** Absolute Poker / Ultimate Bet (Cereus Network) - küsimused, probleemid siia ***

[VisaHing]

Aga muidu mängida sellega rahaga saab jah ?
Lennake kõik high stakesi oma rollidega kui saab. Play money pmst.

[antnx]

Jälgin koguaeg 2+2 foorumit ja see on puhtalt spekulatsioonide põhjal tehtud uudis. Tõsi downsizing ja muud asjad on läbi viidud aga hetkel on väga vara mingeid järeldusi teha. Peame ootama.

[pikk28]

Jälgin koguaeg 2+2 foorumit ja see on puhtalt spekulatsioonide põhjal tehtud uudis. Tõsi downsizing ja muud asjad on läbi viidud aga hetkel on väga vara mingeid järeldusi teha. Peame ootama.

eks ta nii ole jah.

[antnx]

Lingin siia 2+2 teemad kust saab vajalikku infot ja muud juttu
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/56.../index167.html
ja
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29.../index142.html

[antnx]

elevengrover's post from NVG

UB/AP is not declaring bankruptcy based on the information made available. The company jettisoned one large bondholding group last year for UB software/customer lists, jettisoned a second larger bondholding group this year, reduced staff to skeleton levels and have several if not all company accounts frozen by the Department of Justice.

The second bondholder (Madeira) is facing liquidation because UB/AP told them there would be no more payments. Bondholder members have looked into UB/AP financials with concern because of specious expense items suggesting principals earned money using questionable methods. Madeira has no assets and apparently no funds/taste to finance a complicated international legal fight for any UB/AP assets. UB/AP has not made public any financials.

The company structure is hella-complicated, but the beard/shell/face is based in Antigua. Actual controlling corporate entities may reside in the Antigua, BVI, Panama, Belize, Malta or others.

IDS, the customer service arm based in Costa Rica, terminated some 300+ employees. In CR, companies are required to keep ~21 days x each yr worked as severance reserves. Rough math works out to approx 2.5M and the Rimola email is saying 2.75M. The termination notice says liquidation reserves have been provided to Rimola, the emails suggest there is/was a hiccup in the deposits. The emails also suggest some payroll is also involved though this number would be much smaller and likely account for the difference above. More important is whether Rimola follows through on his threat to release company info if reserves are not provided. More than one contact has suggested Rimola is not to be trusted over other owner/founders as to the whereabouts of funds.

The St Pete article stated a 2nd server farm was built in Panama in 2006/07 in case UIGEA involved losing the Kahnawake assets, unless this array has been mirrored with hardware/software updates over the years, it would probably not be able to take over the sites and would not be helpful from an unlicensed jurisdiction far away from large North American Internet backbone traffic. There is nothing at present to suggest the site will not continue to operate from the Kahnawake reserve.

The termination memo mentioned some employees would be rehired for a new, smaller company which apparently has begun.

Pokerscout continues to show over 500 average cash game players or roughly 1/4 of previous traffic. Depending on the time of day, these players seem to be at least 50/50 American. If the company finds processing options, 2p2 threads show clearly some players would probably continue to support the site going forward.

Affiliates have reported missed payments from UB/AP and have suspended rakeback payouts. UB/AP says payments will resume shortly.

MSNBC, Pokernews and others are misreporting the story as an UB/AP bankruptcy.

The DoJ has seized both operational and processing accounts from UB/AP and appear to have gained control of at least some player funds though as has been noted they have denied this.

UB/AP has not made a deal w/DoJ like FT/PS for domain access and the ability to pay from remaining open accounts because they are heavily dependent on US customers.


Parim info senini

[ment52]

Ma loen sealt teemast, et sul 50k AP-s?? ise olid nl50 reg?

[Romka]

Rahapesu ofc.

[pikk28]

mis krdi listi nad seal kokku panevad?
ja romka siin teemas pole praegu tõesti mõtet miskit nalja teha

[VisaHing]

Ma loen sealt teemast, et sul 50k AP-s?? ise olid nl50 reg?

Kaevur ka ütles, et kellegil eestlasel 50k$ seal lukutaga :(


Muidu Phil Hellmuth ka vist kuidagi seotud UB/AB-ga i guess?
Promob neid or somt.
Lõuxi ei karda ta nüüd saada tänaval :D?

[valustyng]

phil ei ole seotud pikemat aega enam ub-ga

[antnx]

http://jgarywise.com/

[ahti2000]

jjeee babe, limiiti on vähemalt tõstetud, äkki polegi asi nii hulll

[pikk28]

wait wat? 1000 VISALE? wow, peab pühapäeavani kannatama........

[pikk28]

May 05, 2011 15:59 ET
Blanca Games Issues Statement on Restructuring

Absolute Poker and UB to Focus on Non-U.S. Business

ST. JOHN'S, ANTIGUA and BARBUDA--(Marketwire - May 5, 2011) - Blanca Games Inc. ("Blanca"), operator of online poker rooms Absolute Poker and UB, issued the following statement today:

As previously stated, Absolute Poker and UB ceased their U.S.-facing operations due to recent legal developments in the United States. The company is currently restructuring and is focusing its resources on consolidating its non-U.S., rest-of-the-world operation and software business. In order to have a more efficient and successful future business, an immediate need to downsize and streamline operations significantly at both online poker rooms has been required. Absolute Poker and UB continue to operate their non-U.S.-facing business.

This decision comes after considerable review and analysis of the impact that 'Black Friday' has had on the business as a whole. The workforce has been liquidated, and the process of rehiring approximately 20% of staff in key positions has commenced. All affected employees have been informed of this necessary restructure.

A company spokesperson said: "We regret that we have been compelled to take these actions. We have worked tirelessly to create a truly amazing company that is filled with extraordinary people. We have always been and still remain fully committed to our employees and players. At the same time, we are confident that this restructuring will strengthen the company and its future."

The Company spokesperson also addressed erroneous reports that Blanca has filed for bankruptcy. The apparent confusion over this issue stems from the fact that Blanca recently informed a debt holder, Madeira Fjord, that it was terminating debt payments to, and its relationship with them. As a result, Madeira Fjord apparently filed a notice of bankruptcy in Norway. This notice has no negative impact upon Blanca, the operating company, or its brands. As stated previously, Absolute Poker and UB continue to operate their non-U.S. facing business around the world.

For non-U.S. players, Absolute Poker and UB have increased their maximum withdrawal limits to $1000 for Visa withdrawals and $500 for all other methods. The number of transactions being processed per day has been significantly increased as well. Players are still restricted to one transaction per week, but we are working to return non-U.S. withdrawals to normal service levels as quickly as possible.

As confirmed earlier this week, the company's legal counsel is in continuing discussions this week with the U.S. Attorney's office to formalize an agreement that would facilitate the return of funds to U.S. players.

[ranka]

jjeee babe, limiiti on vähemalt tõstetud, äkki polegi asi nii hulll

Jup. Hetkel väga segane olukord ja hoian pöialt, et kõik (eriti eestlased :P) oma rahad kätte saaksid. Esmapilgul tundub, et huvi neil raha saata on ja töötajate arvu vähendamine tundus nii või naa suht loogiline samm kui enamus mängijatepagasist läinud. Muideks üks foorumivend (kui tahab, outigu end ise) sai ka esimese $500 kande kätte.

[Char]

Jup. Hetkel väga segane olukord ja hoian pöialt, et kõik (eriti eestlased :P) oma rahad kätte saaksid. Esmapilgul tundub, et huvi neil raha saata on ja töötajate arvu vähendamine tundus nii või naa suht loogiline samm kui enamus mängijatepagasist läinud. Muideks üks foorumivend (kui tahab, outigu end ise) sai ka esimese $500 kande kätte.

ei tea jah, UBst pole üldse cashoutimisega probleeme olnud. panin algselt 250 teele, mis confirmiti 4-5 päevaga, olin alguses paanikas..siis nädalas pärast panin järgmise 250 teele, mis confirmiti 4 tunniga..

ja eile õhtul vaatasin pangakontot ja raha ilusti olemas.

2 päeva pärast panen ülejäänud raha ka kandma ja lahkun toast, kuna välja surnud/kahtlane/norakeback sait

[bJako]

ei tea jah, UBst pole üldse cashoutimisega probleeme olnud. panin algselt 250 teele, mis confirmiti 4-5 päevaga, olin alguses paanikas..siis nädalas pärast panin järgmise 250 teele, mis confirmiti 4 tunniga..

ja eile õhtul vaatasin pangakontot ja raha ilusti olemas.

2 päeva pärast panen ülejäänud raha ka kandma ja lahkun toast, kuna välja surnud/kahtlane/norakeback sait

Tõesti, erinevalt FullTiltist, kus Netelleri väljakannet ootasin 2 nädalat ilma mingi selgituse või vabanduseta, on UB/AP väljakanded (Ukash) tulnud kohe ja probleemideta - v.a see suur probleem, et nad saadavad teate, et submitted ja näha on, et prcesed, aga vautcheri numbrit ei saadeta mailiga! Sama jama oli neil juba paari kuu eest, siis support vastas kirjale ja live chet ütles vautceri numbri kohe, aga nüüd live chat on kinni ja support ei vasta ka mailidele! St nemad on raha välja maksnud, aga mina kätte ei saa. Täielik jama. Ehk support ikka kunagi reageerib.

Btw, UB/AP on vist ainus sait, mis Ukash payouti teeb. See ju sisuliselt (virtuaalne) sularaha. Sobib mujale sisse kandmiseks või millegi ostmiseks.

[Foux]

Mul juba nädal möödas teisest 250$ requestist. Nüüd canceldasin selle ära ja panin 500$ uuesti ootama ja mädanema

[Char]

St nemad on raha välja maksnud, aga mina kätte ei saa. Täielik jama. Ehk support ikka kunagi reageerib.

Btw, UB/AP on vist ainus sait, mis Ukash payouti teeb. See ju sisuliselt (virtuaalne) sularaha. Sobib mujale sisse kandmiseks või millegi ostmiseks.

kaua sul ta saatnud on juba? mul tuli esimene 9 päevaga peale submittimist kohale ja teine tuli 4 päevaga.

[pikk28]

mul mõlemad kanded tulnud üle VISAle 3 tööpäevaga.
1k sain VISAle pendima pandud, hoian kursis.