***Official tournament thread***

[muruntau]

2+2s väga hea teema stakemise, markupi, üldiselt turniiripokkeri, mängijate headuse ja kuidas seda headust hinnatakse:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61...7/index17.html

Üks tsitaat ka kasutajalt Seabeast:
"it's that i strongly disagree with the prevailing sentiment that just because someone reads the forums and decides they want to be a winning player, they are automatically a winning player.

not being a losing player is not the same as being a winning player.

it's almost as though people think we are all equally good because we read the same threads and register in the same tournaments, and that some of us just have to wait longer for our heaters than others.

eventually we'll all be rich, because lucky us, we all found the same automatic cashcow!

poker is hard to beat. it takes discipline, study, and self control.

very few people ever really take a large amount of money out of the game. this doesn't change whether they are backed or not, or whether they play tourneys, cashgames, or back other players.

you aren't a winning player just because you show up, even if you never make a huge spewy embarassing mistake, or play table games, or tilt off money like other people you know... even if you read 2+2 for two hours a day...

all that is still not enough. it takes more. profit in poker is GROUND OUT, it's not automatically there. it's a privilege. it's earnt, over time, not by *avoiding mistakes*, but by actually becoming a tough player."

[Ambur99]

Solid post, palju häid mõtteid ja lisalugemist on selles teemas mis postitasid!

Tänud.

[yolpa]

Solid post, palju häid mõtteid ja lisalugemist on selles teemas mis postitasid!

Tänud.

kust sellised tulevad, palun. Isegi kui troll on, siis imo selline sitt juba aegund ja foorumist liiga palju läbi käind

[Ambur99]

kust sellised tulevad, palun. Isegi kui troll on, siis imo selline sitt juba aegund ja foorumist liiga palju läbi käind

Ma ei saa sinu postitusest aru, mis on aegunud? Ja veel vähem saan aru sinu postituse mõttest.

[muruntau]

kust sellised tulevad, palun. Isegi kui troll on, siis imo selline sitt juba aegund ja foorumist liiga palju läbi käind

Ma tahaks ka teada, mis osa sellest tsitaadist või teemast sitt või aegunud on. Täitsa võimalik, et midagi on aegunud. Kui sul on rohkem up to date infot stakemise kohta üldiselt, siis sheeri linki palun, üritan võimalikult palju selle kohta teada saada. Olen mtt c 2+2 alafoorumist nii mõnegi stakemise probleemi teema läbi vaadanud ja ei tundu selle lingi sisuga vastuollu minevat.

[Ambur99]

Minule endale meeldis Yoshi63 postitus, mõtlema-panev postitus:

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This pretty much turned into the best thread I've read in a while anywhere, and probably one of the top MTTc threads ever.

Quote:
Originally Posted by SEABEAST:
"essentially we're both saying "mediocre winning poker players are far better off playing $55-109s and soft weekend $215s on their own money than getting staked for everything including higher buyin stuff they are probably -ev in", but no-one does that, people just get staked into high variance random walk instead, spend their meager winnings on trying to keep up with the lifestyle a poker player is sposed to have, and then blame variance forever and get insanely jealous of people that actually make bank"


One thing that hasn't really been touched on is that these mediocre players can get better.

If grinding those soft mistakes MTTs 3-4 days a week to earn 40-100k a year is an acceptable income for them (and realistically it should be), then clearly there's nothing wrong with that. It certainly leaves you with enough flexibility to pursue other things in your life along the way, as you may end up wanting to explore new directions or careers. Or as I was saying, towards getting better.

If they still enjoy the game enough and truly want to become part of the "top percentile" you guys are referring to, then perhaps they should try learning to beat cash games and sit-n-goes on some of their non-MTT grinding days. Even learning non-NLHE games can expand your thinking. Then a year-or-two down the road, they'll be able to actually tie these learned concepts together into a much stronger NLHE MTT game, or whatever game they discover most profitable and enjoyable.

Obviously this has all been said and written about a million times before. And as mentioned earlier, simply reading HSMTT / watching videos / etc doesn't necessarily make you a stronger player. Rather than jumping into a backing deal to start hammering out 1k's/200r's in hopes that they'll eventually start beating them, they should stick to grinding the mid-stakes on their own roll for a bit longer. If they're already good enough to crush the tough fields, it shouldn't take that long to build up the proper roll for those buyins anyways. However it seems like we agree most people don't improve that quickly, so they'd be much better off learning the poker/BR/emotional/lifestyle skills as they gradually build up their own roll.

Siit edasi jälle mõttekoht, postitas Bonified:

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Sigh. My whole point is that by multi-tabling online tournaments with smaller fields, it's much easier to "consistently run at expectation".

Kindlasti on selles teemas veel igaühe jaoks midagi lugemiseks. Loomulikult iga asja ei saa sulatõena võtta, aga filosoofiline väärtus on sellel teemal aegumatu imo!

[WeThePeople]

naljakas et teistel on keelatud stratis trollida

[Ambur99]

$10 Buy-in (200/400 blinds, 40 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players

6 esimest saavad kopikaid; blindid 15 minutes; vastase statsid 19/12/H:55
Hero (MP1): 18,005.30 (45 bb)
MP2: 32,306.96 (80.8 bb)
MP3: 23,995.66 (60 bb)
CO: 2,358 (5.9 bb)
BTN: 42,660.50 (106.7 bb)
SB: 29,503.50 (73.8 bb)
BB: 24,786.80 (62 bb)
UTG+2: 11,383.28 (28.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J J
UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to 1,000, MP2 folds,MP3 raises to 23,955.66 and is all-in, hero?

[Vandalar]

not this time ... obv
http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...682_291F721E8F

[CheckRaise]

not this time ... obv
http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...682_291F721E8F

superuser

[eyestabber]

not this time ... obv
http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...682_291F721E8F

confirmed rigged site

[Vandalar]

superuser

Tegelt isegi üks aste superuserist kõrgemal- ettenägemisvõimega superuser. Sellest ka 5bb tõste pre.

[supernova66666]

not this time ... obv
http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...682_291F721E8F

so standart, v.a 5x avang

[supernova66666]

$10 Buy-in (200/400 blinds, 40 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players

6 esimest saavad kopikaid; blindid 15 minutes; vastase statsid 19/12/H:55
Hero (MP1): 18,005.30 (45 bb)
MP2: 32,306.96 (80.8 bb)
MP3: 23,995.66 (60 bb)
CO: 2,358 (5.9 bb)
BTN: 42,660.50 (106.7 bb)
SB: 29,503.50 (73.8 bb)
BB: 24,786.80 (62 bb)
UTG+2: 11,383.28 (28.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J J
UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to 1,000, MP2 folds,MP3 raises to 23,955.66 and is all-in, hero?

Ma läheks.

[Vandalar]

so standart, v.a 5x avang

5x avang võiks ju arvata, et mingi tugeva käega weak mängija teeb nii, kuid tegelt ta oli suht weirdo ja karjus pigem marginaalse käe moodi olema. Suht regulaarselt tõstiski nii palju pre pidevalt ja loose oli jne.

[Juhhei]

$10 Buy-in (200/400 blinds, 40 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players

6 esimest saavad kopikaid; blindid 15 minutes; vastase statsid 19/12/H:55
Hero (MP1): 18,005.30 (45 bb)
MP2: 32,306.96 (80.8 bb)
MP3: 23,995.66 (60 bb)
CO: 2,358 (5.9 bb)
BTN: 42,660.50 (106.7 bb)
SB: 29,503.50 (73.8 bb)
BB: 24,786.80 (62 bb)
UTG+2: 11,383.28 (28.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J J
UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to 1,000, MP2 folds,MP3 raises to 23,955.66 and is all-in, hero?

Mingit infot pole vastase kohta ?
Üldjuhul calliks enamusajast ära aga õnnelik ei ole. AA v KK ei usu et nii sisse uhab pigem AK ja 88 vms

[Ambur99]

Mingit infot pole vastase kohta ?
Üldjuhul calliks enamusajast ära aga õnnelik ei ole. AA v KK ei usu et nii sisse uhab pigem AK ja 88 vms

Väga straight forward mängija tundus olema. Mingeid spetsiifilisi riide, millele toetuda ei olnud!

Mul samad mõtted, et miks peaks keegi sellist liigutust tegema AA ja KK'ga siin. Arvasin, et olen selles olukorras heas seisus ja uhasin nupud sisse! Küsimus veel, et kas siin võib ka foldida südemarahus, ennustades et oleme tema oletatava range'i vastu heas seisus enamus kordi?

Tulemus siin, kui soovid vaadata. Kes soovib veel selle käe üle mõelda, siis ärgu vaadaku:

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$10 Buy-in (200/400 blinds, 40 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (MP1): 18,005.30 (45 bb)
MP2: 32,306.96 (80.8 bb)
MP3: 23,995.66 (60 bb)
CO: 2,358 (5.9 bb)
BTN: 42,660.50 (106.7 bb)
SB: 29,503.50 (73.8 bb)
BB: 24,786.80 (62 bb)
UTG+2: 11,383.28 (28.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J J
UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to 1,000, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to 23,955.66 and is all-in, 4 folds, Hero calls 16,965.30 and is all-in

Flop: (36,850.60) A 2 3 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (36,850.60) 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (36,850.60) K (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: 36,850.60 pot
Final Board: A 2 3 9 K
Hero showed J J and lost (-18,005.30 net)
MP3 showed A K and won 36,850.60 (18,845.30 net)

[Ambur99]

$2.28 Buy-in (2,000/4,000 blinds, 400 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players

180 players turka, FT. kopikate jaotus: 1. 123$; 2. 82$; 3. 47$; 4. 30$; 5. 24$; 6. 18$

Blindid tõusevad iga 5 minuti järel!


BTN: 50,980 (12.7 bb)
Hero (SB): 9,028 (2.3 bb)
BB: 57,748 (14.4 bb)
UTG: 796 (0.2 bb)
MP: 126,042 (31.5 bb)
CO: 25,406 (6.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3 6
UTG folds, MP raises to 8,000, CO raises to 25,006 and is all-in, BTN folds, hero?

Hetkel pangas surnud raha t8400. Küsimus on pigem selles, et kui hästi mitme vastasega potis 36s mängib?

Ja kopikate jaotus on ka pigem top heavy.

[Pyha Karu]

Loe icm kohta. Kuna utg on pmst surnud pead sa siin super tight olema. Sul on sees vähem kui 25 prossa stacki ehk siis sa pole commited ja alati fold siin olenemata stackidest kui ees tõste.

[bi0hazard]

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