[PLO 100-200] muttaja

[muttaja]

vitupea

Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
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SB: $400 (100 bb)
BB: $409.19 (102.3 bb)
UTG+2: $336.93 (84.2 bb)
Hero (MP1): $406 (101.5 bb)
MP2: $49.20 (12.3 bb)
MP3: $419.29 (104.8 bb)
CO: $654.78 (163.7 bb)
BTN: $467.40 (116.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A A
UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to $10, 3 folds, BTN calls $10, 2 folds

Flop: ($26) 2 2 J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $14, Hero calls $14

Turn: ($54) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $28, Hero calls $28

River: ($110) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $82, Hero calls $82

Results: $274 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 2 2 J T 8
Hero mucked A A and lost (-$134 net)
BTN showed Q A and won $271.20 ($137.20 net)

[Pyha Karu]

Kui sitt regular pole, siis suure tõenäosusega foldinud

AsJx semibluff villainil poleks piisav et turni kh callida? AsQx ja AsKx peaks ju kh samas vahel 3 barrel bluffima seal, sest villaini range on nii tugev sellel boardil?

Kas 10 10 vs A J käes villaini asemel ise valuebetiksid oma rida enamasti?

[muttaja]

AsJx semibluff villainil poleks piisav et turni kh callida? AsQx ja AsKx peaks ju kh samas vahel 3 barrel bluffima seal, sest villaini range on nii tugev sellel boardil?

Kas 10 10 vs A J käes villaini asemel ise valuebetiksid oma rida enamasti?

1. käes võib tõepoolest ka callida.

2. käes ma poe kindel, tihti ma üldse turni betin. Aga kui betiks, siis vast shoveks riveri küll

[muttaja]

Iseloomustab tänast jooksu. Terve päeva jagatakse kräppi ja kui saan midagi head, siis...

Poker Stars, $2/$4 Cap No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $219.10 (54.8 bb)
Hero (BB): $433.59 (108.4 bb)
UTG: $204.19 (51 bb)
MP: $98.11 (24.5 bb)
CO: $165.20 (41.3 bb)
BTN: $200.23 (50.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A A
UTG raises to $8, 3 folds, SB calls $6, Hero raises to $28, UTG folds, SB calls $20

Flop: ($64) 9 4 2 (2 players)
SB bets $52, Hero calls $52

Turn: ($168) K (2 players)
River: ($168) 8 (2 players)

Results: $168 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 9 4 2 K 8
SB showed 4 2 and won $165.20 ($85.20 net)
Hero showed A A and lost (-$80 net)

[muttaja]

Teine sess õnneks parem ja päevake isegi plussis :).

Ühe regulari vastu jooksin kenasti. Muidu väga ebameeldiv vastane mulle olnud.

1.

Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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Hero (SB): $546.90 (136.7 bb)
BB: $503.39 (125.8 bb)
MP: $811.20 (202.8 bb)
CO: $404 (101 bb)
BTN: $400 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8 A
3 folds, Hero raises to $10, BB raises to $24, Hero calls $14

Flop: ($48) 2 7 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $40, BB calls $40

Turn: ($128) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $100, Hero calls $100

River: ($328) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

Results: $328 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 2 7 6 2 J
Hero showed 8 A and won $325.20 ($161.20 net)
BB mucked T 9 and lost (-$164 net)

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2. Vahelduseks AA-ga pre nupud ka sisse

Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $479.31 (119.8 bb)
BB: $688.13 (172 bb)
UTG: $479.82 (120 bb)
MP: $438.51 (109.6 bb)
Hero (CO): $689.90 (172.5 bb)
BTN: $400 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A A
2 folds, Hero raises to $10, BTN raises to $36, 2 folds, Hero raises to $88, BTN raises to $400 and is all-in, Hero calls $312

Flop: ($806) T T 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($806) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($806) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $806 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: T T 6 Q 2
Hero showed A A and won $803.20 ($403.20 net)
BTN showed K A and lost (-$400 net)

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3. Ja siis lõpuks üks magus käsi ka ta vastu

Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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SB: $400 (100 bb)
Hero (BB): $454.21 (113.6 bb)
MP: $525.43 (131.4 bb)
CO: $400 (100 bb)
BTN: $1,136.49 (284.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A K
2 folds, BTN raises to $8, SB calls $6, Hero raises to $40, BTN calls $32, SB folds

Flop: ($88) 6 A T (2 players)
Hero bets $44, BTN calls $44

Turn: ($176) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $112, BTN calls $112

River: ($400) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $940.49 and is all-in, Hero calls $258.21 and is all-in

Results: $916.42 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 6 A T Q 2
Hero showed A K and won $913.62 ($459.41 net)
BTN showed J 9 and lost (-$454.21 net)

[Owner85]

See 3mas käsi,ei saa tema flopi callist aru ja siis miks ta ei chipi turni,ehk oskad loogikat seletada

[k2snakalle]

Eks neil muttajaga dünaamikat omavahel kindlasti, aga flopi call on seal ilmselt seotud sellega, miks ta üldse J9s PF callib. Mõlemad backdoorid olemas, aga raise does not make sense sellisel flopil. Turni call seepärast, et tal nüüd OE + ega hero 3bet potis väga ei bluffi riverit sellisel laual. Turni raisega muidugi võib saada AK-st lahti (occasionally KQ), samas herol on päris raske ka sellisel laual AK-ga riveril olla. (mille peale villian herot riveril ei pane kui näeb checki. Riveri ch-ca AK-ga on wp) . Mida sa biidid seal kui vastane turni callib ja riveri shoveb??

[muttaja]

See 3mas käsi,ei saa tema flopi callist aru ja siis miks ta ei chipi turni,ehk oskad loogikat seletada

Pmst jah, et kui juba pre callid sellise käega, siis pead vahel ka säänsel flopil callima. Ega ma üleliia tihti ei barrelda, niiet ta võis eeldada, et kui checkin turni piisavalt tihti, mis annab talle võimaluse käsi kas turnil või riveril maha võtta. Runner-runner annab tegelt mingi equity ka ikka kokku lisaks eelnevale.
Turnil ei saa tõsta, sest pmst sellises situatsioonis puubub ju raise'imise range. Tuleks mastitõmme maha, siis võiks eeldada, et näiteks A6 oleks hea kandidaat shovemiseks. Tugevad lehed ju callivad. Kui sai flopil juba sellise liini peale mindud, siis nadi turni foldida ka.

[muttaja]

Eks neil muttajaga dünaamikat omavahel kindlasti, aga flopi call on seal ilmselt seotud sellega, miks ta üldse J9s PF callib. Mõlemad backdoorid olemas, aga raise does not make sense sellisel flopil. Turni call seepärast, et tal nüüd OE + ega hero 3bet potis väga ei bluffi riverit sellisel laual. Turni raisega muidugi võib saada AK-st lahti (occasionally KQ), samas herol on päris raske ka sellisel laual AK-ga riveril olla. (mille peale villian herot riveril ei pane kui näeb checki. Riveri ch-ca AK-ga on wp) . Mida sa biidid seal kui vastane turni callib ja riveri shoveb??

Ega riveril mugav tõepoolest pole olla. Biidingi floate ja splitin AK. Antud eksemplar ei näidanud üles just suurt soovi 3bettidele foldida, seega eeldasin, et range on suht lai, ehk floate on piisavalt.

[muttaja]

Mäh... range oli kenasti paigas. Üks mõttetu liialt agressiivne pärdik, kes viimasel ajal radika otsas kükitab. A küll ta lähiajal suudab jälle enamus raha auku panna ja kolib madalamale.

Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $400 (100 bb)
BB: $402.92 (100.7 bb)
UTG: $1,009.55 (252.4 bb)
MP: $485.20 (121.3 bb)
CO: $446.86 (111.7 bb)
Hero (BTN): $602.55 (150.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A A
3 folds, Hero raises to $8, SB folds, BB raises to $30, Hero raises to $68, BB calls $38

Flop: ($138) 5 7 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $68, BB calls $68

Turn: ($274) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($274) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $266.92 and is all-in, Hero calls $266.92

Results: $807.84 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 5 7 4 8 6
BB showed Q K and won $402.52 (-$0.40 net)
Hero showed A A and won $402.52 (-$0.40 net)

[Owner85]

Panekes veel mingi peene beti,turnis!

[muttaja]

Päev läbi kotiti ja 3,2k miinust. Perses jällegi

[muttaja]

1. See suht sessi lõpus obv toreda vaala vastu (muidu plo lauas ei istuks ka). Vist ainuke kahtlane käsi. Vähe kogemusi vbla, ei tea

Poker Stars, $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $400 (100 bb)
BB: $451.08 (112.8 bb)
UTG: $672.24 (168.1 bb)
Hero (MP): $614.48 (153.6 bb)
CO: $414.83 (103.7 bb)
BTN: $400 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T 7 9 J
UTG calls $4, Hero raises to $18, 2 folds, SB calls $16, BB folds, UTG calls $14

Flop: ($58) 6 8 8 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $48, SB calls $48, UTG raises to $156, Hero raises to $571.39, SB folds, UTG raises to $654.24 and is all-in, Hero calls $25.09 and is all-in

Turn: ($1,298.96) T (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($1,298.96) 5 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $1,298.96 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 6 8 8 T 5
SB mucked and lost (-$66 net)
UTG showed A 6 6 K and won $1,296.16 ($681.68 net)
Hero showed T 7 9 J and lost (-$614.48 net)

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2. Kah suur pott omahas. Fišš mudiugi võitis

Poker Stars, $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
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SB: $514.52 (128.6 bb)
BB: $425.54 (106.4 bb)
MP: $1,275.86 (319 bb)
Hero (CO): $597.79 (149.4 bb)
BTN: $227.80 (57 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T J T 3
MP raises to $8, Hero calls $8, BTN calls $8, 2 folds

Flop: ($30) 6 T Q (3 players)
MP bets $14.32, Hero raises to $52, BTN raises to $198.97, MP calls $184.65, Hero raises to $589.79 and is all-in, BTN calls $20.83 and is all-in, MP calls $390.82

Turn: ($1,429.38) 5 (3 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($1,429.38) 2 (3 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $1,429.38 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 6 T Q 5 2
MP showed 3 5 3 A and won $1,426.58 ($828.79 net)
Hero showed T J T 3 and lost (-$597.79 net)
BTN showed 8 K 9 6 and lost (-$227.80 net)

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3. Kuidas see pre saab +EV olla?

Poker Stars, $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $477.92 (119.5 bb)
BB: $154.47 (38.6 bb)
Hero (UTG): $544.08 (136 bb)
MP: $683.31 (170.8 bb)
CO: $448.08 (112 bb)
BTN: $421.14 (105.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A 9 T A
Hero raises to $10, 2 folds, BTN raises to $36, 2 folds, Hero raises to $114, BTN calls $78

Flop: ($234) J 8 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $231.20, BTN raises to $307.14 and is all-in, Hero calls $75.94

Turn: ($848.28) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($848.28) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $848.28 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: J 8 3 9 2
Hero showed A 9 T A and lost (-$421.14 net)
BTN showed A J T 2 and won $845.48 ($424.34 net)

[overbet]

Esimene käsi on küll väga kahtlane, ma pakun, et 70% ajast tõmbad ühte outi.

[muttaja]

Esimene käsi on küll väga kahtlane, ma pakun, et 70% ajast tõmbad ühte outi.

Wr ca -100. Raske uskuda

[donkament]

hmm...lasin propokertoolsist mõned simulatsioonid. pot odds 45% eq vaja kui flopil fe=0 ehk utg raises to 156=utg shoves 600.
vs non-fh 8xxx ilma reatõmbe blockeri (fh out) ja backdoor flushita on 47%
vs non-fh 8xxx backdoor flushi ja ühe rea blockeriga 39%
vs Adxdxx 38,5%
vs kõik 8xxx kombod 35%
vs boats ....
ehk siis fishil peaks päris palju random sitta olema, et see spot enda kasuks keerata.

[muttaja]

hmm...lasin propokertoolsist mõned simulatsioonid. pot odds 45% eq vaja kui flopil fe=0 ehk utg raises to 156=utg shoves 600.
vs non-fh 8xxx ilma reatõmbe blockeri (fh out) ja backdoor flushita on 47%
vs non-fh 8xxx backdoor flushi ja ühe rea blockeriga 39%
vs Adxdxx 38,5%
vs kõik 8xxx kombod 35%
vs boats ....
ehk siis fishil peaks päris palju random sitta olema, et see spot enda kasuks keerata.

Novot, mul veel väikseke see kogemustepagas, ehk neid numbreid peas pole

[muttaja]

No nii ikka ei tohiks callida... reg

Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $857.90 (214.5 bb)
BB: $1,219.35 (304.8 bb)
UTG: $689.32 (172.3 bb)
Hero (MP): $626.80 (156.7 bb)
CO: $567.86 (142 bb)
BTN: $274 (68.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 6 7
UTG folds, Hero raises to $10, 3 folds, BB raises to $32, Hero calls $22

Flop: ($66) 5 J 8 (2 players)
BB bets $40, Hero calls $40

Turn: ($146) 7 (2 players)
BB bets $103, Hero calls $103

River: ($352) 7 (2 players)
BB bets $1,044.35 and is all-in, Hero calls $451.80 and is all-in

Results: $1,255.60 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 5 J 8 7 7
BB showed T 9 and won $1,252.80 ($626 net)
Hero showed 6 7 and lost (-$626.80 net)

[muttaja]

9 päeva pausi ja täna uue hooga peale. Kahjuks mitte edukalt. Üks semifish hittis kenasti:

Poker Stars, $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
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SB: $400 (100 bb)
BB: $486.47 (121.6 bb)
MP: $624.85 (156.2 bb)
CO: $320 (80 bb)
Hero (BTN): $444.66 (111.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A A 9 7
MP raises to $12, CO folds, Hero calls $12, SB folds, BB calls $8

Flop: ($38) 7 2 A (3 players)
BB checks, MP bets $24, Hero calls $24, BB calls $24

Turn: ($110) 8 (3 players)
BB checks, MP bets $64, Hero calls $64, BB folds

River: ($238) K (2 players)
MP bets $172, Hero calls $172

Results: $582 pot ($2.15 rake)
Final Board: 7 2 A 8 K
MP showed 3 J 3 J and won $579.85 ($307.85 net)
Hero mucked A A 9 7 and lost (-$272 net)

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Poker Stars, $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 4 Players
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SB: $1,258.07 (314.5 bb)
BB: $495.12 (123.8 bb)
Hero (CO): $1,237.63 (309.4 bb)
BTN: $452.50 (113.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8 J A A
Hero raises to $8, BTN folds, SB raises to $28, BB folds, Hero calls $20

Flop: ($60) 5 2 Q (2 players)
SB bets $32, Hero calls $32

Turn: ($124) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $122.75, SB calls $122.75

River: ($369.50) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Results: $369.50 pot ($1.25 rake)
Final Board: 5 2 Q 9 6
SB showed 8 5 7 J and won $368.25 ($185.50 net)
Hero mucked 8 J A A and lost (-$182.75 net)

[hotcocacola]

Esimene käsi- Miks turnis sisse ei vajuta?