[PLO 100-200] muttaja

[redskruf]

AK bvb ära foldida ilma readideta on ikka suht tight.

[camu]

Õnne!!!

[pikk28]

õnne!

[muttaja]

3 päeva pidasin pokkerist pausi ja ega täna ka just hea tundega mängima ei hakanud. Ja otseloomulikult sain hea hoo allamäge sisse. Käpelt -10BI... Lõpetasin +1BI ja nüüd juba hoopis teises seisus, ehk valmis homme korralikult võitma hakkama.

Käed ka.

1. Villane oli märgitud väga agroks regfishiks. Eks ma natuke optimistlikult mängisin...

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $102 (102 bb)
BB: $115.90 (115.9 bb)
CO: $57.10 (57.1 bb)
Hero (BTN): $100 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A T
CO folds, Hero raises to $2, SB raises to $8, BB folds, Hero calls $6

Flop: ($17) 3 2 4 (2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero raises to $22, SB raises to $94 and is all-in, Hero calls $70 and is all-in

Turn: ($201) J (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($201) 2 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $201 pot ($1.50 rake)
Final Board: 3 2 4 J 2
SB showed 8 A and won $199.50 ($99.50 net)
Hero showed A T and lost (-$100 net)

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2. 60/4 fishi vastu võtsin sellise liini. Turnil enam käes välja ka ei saand. Vastane obv floppas nutsu :/

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
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Hero (BB): $104.16 (104.2 bb)
UTG+1: $126.50 (126.5 bb)
UTG+2: $109.21 (109.2 bb)
MP1: $38.88 (38.9 bb)
MP2: $103 (103 bb)
MP3: $100 (100 bb)
CO: $63.07 (63.1 bb)
BTN: $144.78 (144.8 bb)
SB: $129.87 (129.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T T
2 folds, MP1 calls $1, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $4, CO folds, BTN calls $4, SB folds, Hero calls $3, MP1 calls $3

Flop: ($16.50) 4 7 5 (4 players)
Hero bets $10, MP1 calls $10, 2 folds

Turn: ($36.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $26.14, MP1 calls $24.88

River: ($86.26) 9 (2 players)

Results: $86.26 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 4 7 5 3 9
Hero showed T T and lost (-$38.88 net)
MP1 showed 8 6 and won $83.46 ($44.58 net)

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3. Shortstäk regular. Mis oleks parim turni liin ja parim riveri liin? Riveril vist peaks munad üles otsima ja neid kasutama.

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

MP: $100 (100 bb)
CO: $88.33 (88.3 bb)
BTN: $82.38 (82.4 bb)
SB: $40 (40 bb)
Hero (BB): $100 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K 4
2 folds, BTN raises to $2, SB folds, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($4.50) 8 2 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $3.22, Hero calls $3.22

Turn: ($10.94) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $7.16, Hero raises to $21, BTN calls $13.84

River: ($52.94) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Results: $52.94 pot ($2.15 rake)
Final Board: 8 2 5 7 Q
BTN showed 8 A and won $50.79 ($24.57 net)
Hero showed K 4 and lost (-$26.22 net)

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4. Eks ta suht nuppude vajutamine oli... 70/9 fish. Foldida ikka suht keeruline.

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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SB: $128.56 (128.6 bb)
BB: $100 (100 bb)
MP: $79.91 (79.9 bb)
CO: $102.50 (102.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $208.65 (208.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A K
MP calls $1, CO folds, Hero raises to $6, 2 folds, MP calls $5

Flop: ($13.50) K 4 5 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $8, MP calls $8

Turn: ($29.50) 9 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $18, MP calls $18

River: ($65.50) 8 (2 players)
MP bets $47.91 and is all-in, Hero calls $47.91

Results: $161.32 pot ($2.15 rake)
Final Board: K 4 5 9 8
MP showed 9 K and won $159.17 ($79.26 net)
Hero showed A K and lost (-$79.91 net)

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5. Regular. Tüüp foldis, kirus ja näitas 33. Mäh?

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
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BB: $191.99 (192 bb)
CO: $70.20 (70.2 bb)
BTN: $129.73 (129.7 bb)
Hero (SB): $100 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7 Q
2 folds, Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6) K J 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

Turn: ($6) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $4, BB raises to $10.86, Hero raises to $32, BB folds

Results: $27.72 pot ($1.25 rake)
Final Board: K J 9 3
BB mucked and lost (-$13.86 net)
Hero mucked 7 Q and won $26.47 ($12.61 net)

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6. Üpris agro regular. AK saan välistda, selline tüüp 3betib selle kindlasti. Ega callida pole vist ka turni mõtet, et talle tasuta kaart nt masti hittimiseks anda?

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
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SB: $128.37 (128.4 bb)
BB: $148.20 (148.2 bb)
Hero (CO): $190.77 (190.8 bb)
BTN: $110.25 (110.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K K
Hero raises to $3, BTN calls $3, SB folds, BB calls $2

Flop: ($9.50) Q 9 T (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, BTN folds, BB calls $6

Turn: ($21.50) J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $13, BB raises to $32, Hero raises to $181.77 and is all-in, BB folds

Results: $85.50 pot ($1.25 rake)
Final Board: Q 9 T J
BB mucked and lost (-$41 net)
Hero mucked K K and won $84.25 ($43.25 net)

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7. Too sell vast küll riveril lihtsalt lootis, et on millelegi pihta saand. Silm tõenäoliselt enam ei seletanud. Aga Reloadis kohe pärast kätt.

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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MP: $45.69 (45.7 bb)
CO: $100 (100 bb)
BTN: $107.07 (107.1 bb)
Hero (SB): $103.21 (103.2 bb)
BB: $100 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K J
MP calls $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5, BB folds, MP calls $4

Flop: ($11) 4 T 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($13) T (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $5, Hero calls $5

River: ($23) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $10, Hero raises to $92.21 and is all-in, MP calls $24.69 and is all-in

Results: $92.38 pot ($2.15 rake)
Final Board: 4 T 9 T Q
MP showed K 7 and lost (-$45.69 net)
Hero showed K J and won $90.23 ($44.54 net)

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8. Tundus mõistlik koht olevat bluffimiseks. Flopi call võib küll kaheldav olla. MP fiššine, CU regular.

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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BB: $103 (103 bb)
UTG: $170.29 (170.3 bb)
MP: $222.34 (222.3 bb)
CO: $100 (100 bb)
Hero (BTN): $157.74 (157.7 bb)
SB: $118.59 (118.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with T 9
UTG folds, MP raises to $3, CO calls $3, Hero calls $3, 2 folds

Flop: ($10.50) Q 5 8 (3 players)
MP bets $7, CO calls $7, Hero calls $7

Turn: ($31.50) 9 (3 players)
MP checks, CO checks, Hero bets $22, MP calls $22, CO folds

River: ($75.50) A (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $42, MP folds

Results: $75.50 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: Q 5 8 9 A
MP mucked and lost (-$32 net)
Hero mucked T 9 and won $72.70 ($40.70 net)

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9. Ühed ässad ka, kus ei osanud paremat liini välja mõelda. Mõlemad regularid. Küsimus seisneb selles, et kui ma sellise liini peale juba lähen, kas siis peaks üldjuhul riveri ka bettima for value?

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $100 (100 bb)
SB: $60.89 (60.9 bb)
BB: $163.99 (164 bb)
Hero (UTG): $119.76 (119.8 bb)
MP: $40 (40 bb)
CO: $107.60 (107.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A A
Hero raises to $3, MP folds, CO calls $3, BTN calls $3, 2 folds

Flop: ($10.50) 7 8 J (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $8, Hero calls $8, CO folds

Turn: ($26.50) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $15, BTN calls $15

River: ($56.50) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Results: $56.50 pot ($2.54 rake)
Final Board: 7 8 J 5 Q
BTN showed 7 7 and won $53.96 ($27.96 net)
Hero showed A A and lost (-$26 net)

[muttaja]

Kas on mõistlik eeldus, et ma saan hittides 90% kordadest ta stäki kätte? Rändom fišš.

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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SB: $35.72 (35.7 bb)
BB: $106.89 (106.9 bb)
Hero (MP): $111.12 (111.1 bb)
CO: $100 (100 bb)
BTN: $155.79 (155.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J T
Hero raises to $3, 3 folds, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.50) 9 2 K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, BB raises to $10, Hero calls $6

Turn: ($26.50) 7 (2 players)
BB bets $33, Hero ...

[pikk28]

kindlasti saad. midagi ma arvutasin ja ilmselt see vist BE call (33 callida, et võita 150?)

[muttaja]

Minu arvutuste kohaselt on mul talt riveril 40 doltsi vaja saada, et BE oleks

[pikk28]

sul 10 outi, laias laastus 20% equityt hittimiseks eks?

[muttaja]

Ma ise lugesin ikka 15 auti kokku: kõik ristid + kaheksad + emandad. HEMist vaatasin pärast, et 34% equity oli.

[pikk28]

ok. nii on.

[muttaja]

Jube reigimaksmine ja aukudest välja ronimine oli jällegi päeva sisuks. Kui filtreerisin statsid 6 mängija peale, siis tuli 29/22. Loose. Liiga loose, ehk natuke tildine ka. Üks suuuur käsi:

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

MP: $100 (100 bb)
Hero (CO): $218.56 (218.6 bb)
BTN: $174.94 (174.9 bb)
SB: $200.23 (200.2 bb)
BB: $241.53 (241.5 bb)
UTG: $108.40 (108.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7 8
UTG raises to $3, MP folds, Hero calls $3, BTN calls $3, SB folds, BB calls $2

Flop: ($12.50) 6 9 5 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $6, Hero calls $6, BTN folds, BB raises to $24, UTG calls $18, Hero raises to $61, BB raises to $238.53 and is all-in, UTG calls $81.40 and is all-in, Hero calls $154.56 and is all-in

Turn: ($549.02) 4 (3 players, 3 are all-in)
River: ($549.02) K (3 players, 3 are all-in)

Results: $549.02 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 6 9 5 4 K
Hero showed 7 8 and won $273.11 ($54.55 net)
BTN mucked and lost (-$3 net)
BB showed 8 7 and won $273.11 ($54.55 net)
UTG showed A A and lost (-$108.40 net)

[HerrJanks]

29/22 on päris solid imo kui weak rangega postflop lolliks ei lähe

utg oli küll optimist selles käes

[muttaja]

31,6/23,9 tuli kõik kokku

[muttaja]

Kerge hommikune godmode!



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[HerrJanks]

jeeee, jeeeee
palju br on juba? kunagi NL200 poole ka vaatad?

[muttaja]

Eks oktoobris tahaks küll juba nl200 mängida. Visalt kasvab see rollikene, aga vähemalt kasvab. Tänu tagasilöökidele ei taha ka 20BI pealt üles ronida, vaid sutsu enam koguda.

[HerrJanks]

eks NL200 tahab ilmselt natuke paksemat rolli jah kui 20BI, aga edu fyte'ga maadlemisel =)

[muttaja]

Omg... Kahe fišši vastu...

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $98.05 (98.1 bb)
Hero (SB): $108.56 (108.6 bb)
BB: $118.71 (118.7 bb)
UTG: $75 (75 bb)
MP: $100 (100 bb)
CO: $110.85 (110.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J J
3 folds, BTN raises to $3, Hero raises to $10, BB calls $9, BTN calls $7

Flop: ($30) T J K (3 players)
Hero bets $14.32, BB calls $14.32, BTN calls $14.32

Turn: ($72.96) 7 (3 players)
Hero bets $22, BB calls $22, BTN calls $22

River: ($138.96) 6 (3 players)
Hero bets $62.24 and is all-in, BB calls $62.24, BTN folds

Results: $263.44 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: T J K 7 6
BTN mucked and lost (-$46.32 net)
Hero showed J J and lost (-$108.56 net)
BB showed Q 9 and won $260.64 ($152.08 net)

[muttaja]

Lõpp vajus ära, lollus ei teind, aga totakad setupid minu kahjuks.



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1. Niti regulari vastu:

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

CO: $413.14 (413.1 bb)
BTN: $185.63 (185.6 bb)
Hero (SB): $100.50 (100.5 bb)
BB: $190.90 (190.9 bb)
UTG: $118.41 (118.4 bb)
MP: $173.71 (173.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8 8
UTG raises to $3, 3 folds, Hero calls $2.50, BB folds

Flop: ($7) 8 3 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $4, Hero raises to $12, UTG calls $8

Turn: ($31) T (2 players)
Hero bets $22, UTG calls $22

River: ($75) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $63.50 and is all-in, UTG calls $63.50

Results: $202 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 8 3 3 T 7
Hero showed 8 8 and lost (-$100.50 net)
UTG showed T T and won $199.20 ($98.70 net)

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2. Suure vaala vastu. No ei saa riverit bettimata ka jätta :/

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

UTG: $408.64 (408.6 bb)
MP: $173.72 (173.7 bb)
Hero (CO): $100 (100 bb)
BTN: $187.90 (187.9 bb)
SB: $219.73 (219.7 bb)
BB: $192.62 (192.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q T
UTG folds, MP calls $1, Hero raises to $3, 3 folds, MP calls $2

Flop: ($7.50) 9 7 J (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $5.37, MP calls $5.37

Turn: ($18.24) A (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $10.45, MP calls $10.45

River: ($39.14) 4 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $24.42, MP calls $24.42

Results: $87.98 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 9 7 J A 4
MP showed 7 T and won $85.18 ($41.94 net)
Hero showed Q T and lost (-$43.24 net)

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3. Sama vaala vastu mõni hetk hiljem

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

CO: $426.26 (426.3 bb)
BTN: $213.66 (213.7 bb)
Hero (SB): $100 (100 bb)
BB: $187.90 (187.9 bb)
UTG: $219.23 (219.2 bb)
MP: $180.62 (180.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q A
UTG folds, MP raises to $3, CO folds, BTN calls $3, Hero raises to $14, 2 folds, BTN calls $11

Flop: ($32) J 3 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $15.28, BTN raises to $41, Hero raises to $86 and is all-in, BTN folds

Results: $114 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: J 3 3
BTN mucked and lost (-$55 net)
Hero mucked Q A and won $111.20 ($56.20 net)

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4. Regulari vastu.

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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BB: $42.54 (42.5 bb)
Hero (UTG): $190.46 (190.5 bb)
MP: $129.45 (129.5 bb)
CO: $63.47 (63.5 bb)
BTN: $204.69 (204.7 bb)
SB: $222.17 (222.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 4 6
Hero raises to $3, 3 folds, SB calls $2.50, BB calls $2

Flop: ($9) 4 6 8 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $5.16, SB calls $5.16, BB folds

Turn: ($19.32) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $13, SB calls $13

River: ($45.32) 3 (2 players)
SB bets $23, Hero folds

Results: $45.32 pot ($2.04 rake)
Final Board: 4 6 8 9 3
Hero mucked 4 6 and lost (-$21.16 net)
SB mucked and won $43.28 ($22.12 net)

[muttaja]

Heh, vaatasin just, et see kuu olen 6500 kätt fullringi mänginud (7+ möngijat lauas) ja statsid 23/18. Võtan heaga koomale. Vb loose olla polegi nii halb, ent variatsioon on suurem ja kui mul on niigi tildiga probleeme, siis pean natuke variatsiooni vähendama.

Aga mõni tark mees võiks teha natuke arvutusi, palju VPIP/PFR rake maksmist mõjutab. Ma kardan, et pikas perspektiivis on suht oluline vähem rake maksta, ehk nitim olla.