[PLO 100-200] muttaja

[Priidix]

J5s 6max lauas ju?

[camu]

J5s 6max lauas ju?

Saast ikkagi ju

[muttaja]

Mõlemad jooksud kotti. Obv... :P

Poker Stars, $1/$2, $0.40 ante No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $192.50 (96.3 bb)
SB: $605.59 (302.8 bb)
Hero (BB): $774.70 (387.4 bb)
MP: $234.40 (117.2 bb)
CO: $252.69 (126.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8 7
3 folds, SB raises to $7, Hero calls $5

Flop: ($16) 6 T 9 (2 players)
SB bets $12, Hero raises to $36, SB raises to $100, Hero raises to $230, SB raises to $598.19 and is all-in, Hero calls $368.19

Turn: ($1,212.38) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($1,212.38) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $1,212.38 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 6 T 9 9 5
SB showed 6 6 and won $1,209.58 ($603.99 net)
Hero showed 8 7 and lost (-$605.59 net)

[muttaja]

Selline asi juhtus ka vahepeal. Tõe huvides peab mainima, et teise jooksu siiski võitsin. Vingumise huvides võiks selle maha salata. Kahe päevaga on ikka korralikult raha käest ära sulanud.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
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BB: $206.42 (103.2 bb)
CO: $202 (101 bb)
BTN: $101.93 (51 bb)
Hero (SB): $200 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3 3
CO raises to $5, BTN folds, Hero calls $4, BB folds

Flop: ($12) J Q 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $8, Hero raises to $26, CO raises to $55, Hero raises to $195 and is all-in, CO calls $140

Turn: ($402) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($402) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $402 pot ($1.50 rake)
Final Board: J Q 3 Q Q
CO showed Q A and won $200.25 ($0.25 net)
Hero showed 3 3 and won $200.25 ($0.25 net)

[levis]

Hero showed 33 and won $200.25

[ebast]

RIT

[muttaja]

94/49 kahes diip lauas ühe saksa daami vastu võimas madin. Suhe kohe andsin talle 200bb, kui, kui 853sss laual sai OOP 3bet callides J8 pihta, xr ja callis AI. Mu AK + nfd abi ei toond :(

[muttaja]

Nl400-s 497 käe kohta wtdf 25%; w@sd 28% ja w$wsf 26%. Graafik sujuvalt allamäge, vahepeal suuremad kukkumised...

[p0l1]

Halva jooksu ajal pigem nl200-s pole lihtsam pelada ?

[muttaja]

Laiutan vaid käsi taeva poole...

Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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CO: $532.64 (133.2 bb)
BTN: $426.69 (106.7 bb)
SB: $414.92 (103.7 bb)
Hero (BB): $400 (100 bb)
UTG: $878.61 (219.7 bb)
MP: $400 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T T
3 folds, BTN raises to $8, SB folds, Hero raises to $32, BTN calls $24

Flop: ($66) 9 A 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($66) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($66) T (2 players)
Hero bets $36, BTN raises to $142, Hero calls $106

Results: $350 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 9 A 3 K T
BTN showed Q J and won $347.20 ($173.20 net)
Hero mucked T T and lost (-$174 net)

[muttaja]

Kaks päeva talun üldjuhul ära, aga kolmandaga läheb juba keeruliseks.



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[muttaja]

Mõelamd käed sama tola vastu.

Paar kätt varem oli 93o vs AK preflop allinn doubleupi saanud :).

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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Hero (BTN): $301.12 (150.6 bb)
SB: $200 (100 bb)
BB: $206.42 (103.2 bb)
MP: $208 (104 bb)
CO: $393.86 (196.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with J J
MP folds, CO raises to $6, Hero raises to $18, 2 folds, CO raises to $30, Hero raises to $60, CO calls $30

Flop: ($123) 7 5 5 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $68, CO raises to $333.86 and is all-in, Hero calls $173.12 and is all-in

Turn: ($605.24) 7 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($605.24) A (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $605.24 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 7 5 5 7 A
Hero mucked J J and lost (-$301.12 net)
CO showed A A and won $602.44 ($301.32 net)

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Ja mõni aeg hiljem...

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $200 (100 bb)
SB: $226.38 (113.2 bb)
Hero (BB): $210.78 (105.4 bb)
UTG: $207 (103.5 bb)
MP: $301.03 (150.5 bb)
CO: $330.18 (165.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q Q
UTG folds, MP raises to $6, CO calls $6, 2 folds, Hero raises to $26, MP calls $20, CO calls $20

Flop: ($79) T 4 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $80, CO folds, Hero raises to $184.78 and is all-in, MP calls $104.78

Turn: ($448.56) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($448.56) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $448.56 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: T 4 7 J 2
Hero showed Q Q and lost (-$210.78 net)
MP showed K K and won $445.76 ($234.98 net)
CO mucked and lost (-$26 net)

[muttaja]

No siit peab küll upswing pihta hakkama :D

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BB: $119.23 (59.6 bb)
UTG: $217.21 (108.6 bb)
Hero (MP): $264.31 (132.2 bb)
CO: $258.05 (129 bb)
BTN: $200 (100 bb)
SB: $287.77 (143.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 7 A
UTG folds, Hero raises to $6, CO folds, BTN calls $6, 2 folds

Flop: ($15) 7 6 A (2 players)
Hero bets $10, BTN raises to $29, Hero calls $19

Turn: ($73) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $39, Hero raises to $229.31 and is all-in, BTN calls $126 and is all-in

River: ($403) A (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $403 pot ($2.15 rake)
Final Board: 7 6 A 8 A
Hero showed 7 A and won $400.85 ($200.85 net)
BTN mucked T 9 and lost (-$200 net)

[muttaja]

Tänase teise sessi ajal nl400 laudu ei avanud ja nittisin turvaliselt nl200-s. Tõmbasin ilusti ära ka 2 korda. Stasid 28/20/5. Jube suur VPIP/PFR, mis tuleb vist bb pealt coldcallimisest. Aga min avangu vastu peaks call olema ikka väga laia range'iga +EV. 3bet% ka jube madal, aga no ausalt - ei antud lehte.

[p0l1]

Kui saladus pole, siis mitme bi-sed downswingid varem nl200s on olnud ja mis sample jooksul ? Viimane aasta nt, äkki see ka näitab midagi. Ennustamine tänamatu töö muidugi.

[muttaja]

Eelmise aasta juunis-juulis kukkusin 50BI, lõpu poole oli osa ka nl100, sest roll enam ei kannatanud. Aga no see oli Zoomis ja Zoom on saatanast :)

[valgelendur]

Sinu arvamus all in ev joonest?

muide jah 28/20 jõle suur cap, aga jah enamus cap peakski bb/btn pealt (enamus siiski bb pealt) tulema... hetkel callin vs sb umbes 60% (15%-20% sellest 3b vast) range ja läheb laiemaks (muidugi oleneb vastasest) ja nõrgem osa rangest näitab breakevenit (mis muidugi on supper, foldimine -100bb/100)

gl downswingiga dealimisega, vast oli see tõesti upswingi algus :)

[p0l1]

Pidavat biiditav olema nl500 zoom ka kusjuures, on paar kuud vanasid videoid küll, kus vähemalt jutu järgi on nl100 ja nl500 eri treening-saitide coachide seas biitijaid [Cardrunnersist keegi, sample 70k ja 5 bb/100h, DC blah234, 5 või rohkem bb, sample [?], mingi aimu ikka annab]. Mäng siiski tundub hoopis erinev tavalisest 6maxist, üsna palju saab deepina mängida nagu sa ise rääkisid mõni aeg tagasi ja rohkem coolereid.

Nende videote põhjal minule tundub zoom nagu tight 6m formaat, kus vastased on pigem nitid, näiteks nl50 ja natuke paremad nitid.

[virukunn]

aejones nl500 zoom: http://www.leggopoker.com/blogs/aejones/zoom-11059.html

[muttaja]

Sinu arvamus all in ev joonest?

muide jah 28/20 jõle suur cap, aga jah enamus cap peakski bb/btn pealt (enamus siiski bb pealt) tulema... hetkel callin vs sb umbes 60% (15%-20% sellest 3b vast) range ja läheb laiemaks (muidugi oleneb vastasest) ja nõrgem osa rangest näitab breakevenit (mis muidugi on supper, foldimine -100bb/100)

gl downswingiga dealimisega, vast oli see tõesti upswingi algus :)

Ega see EV joon üksi jah kogu tõde jooksust ei kajasta. Mingis mõttes on isegi alla EV joosta vähem valus, sest siis saad graafikust lohutust otsida. Aga kui pidevalt top range'i joosta, siis ma hakkan lõpuks oma mängus kahtlema ja teen selle tõdu vigu.

BBvSB on mul ka call+3bet kuskil 57% (fullringis isegi 72%, kuna sealsed regularid üldiselt väga agrot mängu ei harrasta ja tundub jube mugav callida). BBvBU minopeni vastu vast kuskil 40%. BBvSB sõltub ka suht palju, kui laialt SB avab. Isegi regularidel varieerub see väga palju, alates 20 kuni 70%. BU pealt on see palju ühtlasem regularide seas.