[PLO 100-200] muttaja

[Pyha Karu]

lol, tõesti. Ära mängi vähese rolliga nii kõrgel, kui mindset ei kannata selliseid kõikumisi. Mina isiklikult alla 30K rolli nl400 enam ei puutu. Just selleks, et vältida taolisi olukordasid.

Miks nii suur roll, kui downswingid ainult 10 buyini? 400s tunduvalt suuremad?

[ESTPatrick]

lol, kogu see jutt ainult 12bi pärast:d

pead murult mindseti trenni küsima

[Kotkas1000]

Et vältida olukorda, kus hävin päeva jooksul näiteks 1/5 oma rollist (20K rolliga -10bi päev 400-s). Nagu elu on näidanud, siis see ei mõju hästi minu mindsetile. Ja 10bi on siiski suht "harilik" downer. Kui meid peaks kummitama tulema doomer, siis ei ole ka 20bi kukkumine mingi ilmaime. Ning kaotada pool oma rollist...minu jaoks võrdub see elu kassiga.

[The_Meer]

Ma arvan et see on natuke vale... pigem võtta väiksem stop loss BI uues limiidis

[muttaja]

Mh... Ühe jooksu ikka kaotasin

Poker Stars, $1/$2, $0.40 ante No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

CO: $510.74 (255.4 bb)
Hero (BTN): $521.02 (260.5 bb)
SB: $519.41 (259.7 bb)
BB: $721.61 (360.8 bb)
UTG: $308.79 (154.4 bb)
MP: $434.49 (217.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A A
3 folds, Hero raises to $5, SB raises to $21, BB folds, Hero raises to $48, SB raises to $108, Hero raises to $520.62 and is all-in, SB calls $411.01 and is all-in

Flop: ($1,042.42) 8 K T (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: ($1,042.42) 8 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($1,042.42) Q (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $1,042.42 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 8 K T 8 Q
Hero showed A A and won $519.81 ($0.40 net)
SB showed K K and won $519.81 ($0.40 net)

[muttaja]

Päris valusa vea tegin riveril... Ei tohiks nagu regulari vastu callida. A krdi teine paar ja eeldasin, et ta on natuke tiltis ka, kuna oli just mulle suure poti kaotanud

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $208 (104 bb)
Hero (BB): $396.19 (198.1 bb)
UTG: $292.72 (146.4 bb)
MP: $312.82 (156.4 bb)
CO: $591.39 (295.7 bb)
BTN: $200 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J Q
UTG folds, MP raises to $5, CO calls $5, 2 folds, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($16) 3 J 4 (3 players)
Hero bets $12, MP raises to $34, CO folds, Hero calls $22

Turn: ($84) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $63.33, Hero calls $63.33

River: ($210.66) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $210.49 and is all-in, Hero calls $210.49

Results: $631.64 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 3 J 4 8 Q
Hero showed J Q and lost (-$312.82 net)
MP showed 4 4 and won $628.84 ($316.02 net)

[Pyha Karu]

Päris valusa vea tegin riveril... Ei tohiks nagu regulari vastu callida. A krdi teine paar ja eeldasin, et ta on natuke tiltis ka, kuna oli just mulle suure poti kaotanud

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $208 (104 bb)
Hero (BB): $396.19 (198.1 bb)
UTG: $292.72 (146.4 bb)
MP: $312.82 (156.4 bb)
CO: $591.39 (295.7 bb)
BTN: $200 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J Q
UTG folds, MP raises to $5, CO calls $5, 2 folds, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($16) 3 J 4 (3 players)
Hero bets $12, MP raises to $34, CO folds, Hero calls $22

Turn: ($84) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $63.33, Hero calls $63.33

River: ($210.66) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $210.49 and is all-in, Hero calls $210.49

Results: $631.64 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 3 J 4 8 Q
Hero showed J Q and lost (-$312.82 net)
MP showed 4 4 and won $628.84 ($316.02 net)

Mismõttes ei tohiks top 2-ga regulari vastu callida...isegi kui tal pole riveril ühtegi bluffi rangeis, on tal ikka nõrgemaid valuehande piisavalt.

[valgelendur]

.....eeldasin, et ta on natuke tiltis ka.....

Ei kommenteeri kätt, aga imo väga suur leak mida tänapäeval tehakse, eeldatakse liiga palju ja tehakse sellenajal otsuseid. Sa paned mööda oma eeldusega samapalju kui sa pihta paned, pole mõtet soulreadimisega tegeleda, vaid tuleb solid pokkeri mängida.

[p0l1]

Ei kommenteeri kätt, aga imo väga suur leak mida tänapäeval tehakse, eeldatakse liiga palju ja tehakse sellenajal otsuseid. Sa paned mööda oma eeldusega samapalju kui sa pihta paned, pole mõtet soulreadimisega tegeleda, vaid tuleb solid pokkeri mängida.

+5

See eeldamine ilma infota on minu mängu ka üsna palju seganud. Ümber õppimine raske.

[muttaja]

Asi selles ongi, et mo meelest pole seal tegelikult nõrgemaid valuehande

[Pyha Karu]

Asi selles ongi, et mo meelest pole seal tegelikult nõrgemaid valuehande

Riveril A A, K K, A Q-ga millegi muu kui shove tegemine on leak.

Saarlane?!?!?!?!??

[Kotkas1000]

Kas AA ja KK raise flop ilma spetsiifilise readita ei ole leak? FR tundub seal flat parem minu meelest standardina.

[Pyha Karu]

Ei, donkab original raiserisse suht süütul flopil. See pole suht kunagi set.

[muttaja]

Kah piiripealne olukord

Seat 3: Player3 ( $203.46 USD ) - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 5, AF: 1,8, Hands: 2597
5b 0/7; fold to 4b 5/7 senini

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $259.36 (129.7 bb)
BB: $203.46 (101.7 bb)
MP: $172.09 (86 bb)
CO: $203 (101.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $236.14 (118.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K 9
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, SB folds, BB raises to $16, Hero raises to $32, BB calls $16

Flop: ($65) 2 9 T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $22, BB raises to $48, Hero calls $26

Turn: ($161) T (2 players)
BB bets $123.46, Hero ???

[Pyha Karu]

Kah piiripealne olukord

Seat 3: Player3 ( $203.46 USD ) - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 5, AF: 1,8, Hands: 2597
5b 0/7; fold to 4b 5/7 senini

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $259.36 (129.7 bb)
BB: $203.46 (101.7 bb)
MP: $172.09 (86 bb)
CO: $203 (101.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $236.14 (118.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K 9
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, SB folds, BB raises to $16, Hero raises to $32, BB calls $16

Flop: ($65) 2 9 T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $22, BB raises to $48, Hero calls $26

Turn: ($161) T (2 players)
BB bets $123.46, Hero ???

Kus see piiripealne olukord on, kui tal nii väike 3 bet. Kui sellega suudab kah 5/7st 4 betidele foldida, on suht selge, et tal siin bluffe pole.

[muttaja]

Positsioonist väljas suht keeruline mängida. Mis peaks standardlahendus olema?

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (MP): $230.98 (115.5 bb)
CO: $200 (100 bb)
BTN: $200 (100 bb)
SB: $141.34 (70.7 bb)
BB: $200 (100 bb)
UTG: $510.34 (255.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A 4
UTG folds, Hero raises to $6, CO folds, BTN calls $6, 2 folds

Flop: ($15) 8 4 K (2 players)
Hero bets $10, BTN raises to $27, [color=red]Hero ???

[muttaja]

Kui 3bet nii madal on, ei tähenda see veel, et see ei võiks (räigelt) polariseeritud olla

[Pyha Karu]

Kui 3bet nii madal on, ei tähenda see veel, et see ei võiks (räigelt) polariseeritud olla

Kui tal ikkagi 5/7st fold to 4 bet, tähendab see, et ta nõrgema osa viskab just ära, eriti oop.

[muttaja]

Misclick flopil. Ei ole põhjalikult läbimõeldud stateegia. Kuigi vb oma iva ses oleks.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (MP): $206 (103 bb)
CO: $124.74 (62.4 bb)
BTN: $219.34 (109.7 bb)
SB: $208.07 (104 bb)
BB: $242.91 (121.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A 5
Hero raises to $6, CO folds, BTN calls $6, 2 folds

Flop: ($15) 2 4 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $2, BTN raises to $10, Hero calls $8

Turn: ($35) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $24, Hero raises to $66, BTN raises to $203.34 and is all-in, Hero calls $124 and is all-in

River: ($415) 2 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $415 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 2 4 8 3 2
Hero showed A 5 and won $412.20 ($206.20 net)
BTN showed A A and lost (-$206 net)

[timz0333]

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