[PLO 100-200] muttaja

[ment52]

Ei tea, kas seal on mõistlik bluffida regulari vastu ilmsa eriliste riidideta?

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $277.40 (138.7 bb)
Hero (BB): $203 (101.5 bb)
UTG: $200 (100 bb)
MP: $211.14 (105.6 bb)
CO: $239.50 (119.8 bb)
BTN: $364.96 (182.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J A
2 folds, CO raises to $5, 2 folds, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($11) 2 4 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $6, Hero calls $6

Turn: ($23) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $14, Hero calls $14

River: ($51) T (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $40, Hero raises to $104, CO calls $64

Results: $259 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 2 4 4 2 T
Hero showed J A and lost (-$129 net)
CO showed T K and won $256.20 ($127.20 net)

Nelikut reppida sellise sizinguga, pakun, et su blufi ev oli umbes -104$

[donkament]

suht awful bluff :( pre imo 3b for value, saad sitaks domineeritud käsi callima. postflop su käsi suht face up a high igal tänaval ja kui ma oleks reg, siis ma ei üritaks sind selle pealt maha bluffida (v.a kui mul endal oleks ka A high ja riveri bomb oleks freeroll). though kui ta on võimeline bettima seda blankide blank turni K highga siis tulevikus ma calliks sarnases spotis 3barreli riveris lightilt maha.

[muttaja]

Nelikut reppida sellise sizinguga, pakun, et su blufi ev oli umbes -104$

Niiet vastase poolt vaadatuna on A-high riveril iisi calll? Mu flating range on bb pealt väga lai, niiet 4x on ilsuti range'is ning mõni 2x ka. TT on muidugi kahtlasem jah...

Tagantjärele vaadates repin liiga vähe kombosid jah. See on kindlasti tõsi.

[muttaja]

Ühe nitisima regulari vastu, kelle kohta ka üle 10k käe. BB pealt oli fold to 4bet väga kõrge (68%; arvestades, et 3bet vaid 9 vs steal). Otsustasin, et kasulikum on preflop maha võtta, kuigi käsi on hea callimiseks. Ja pärast floppi muidugi ei tahtnud uskuda ta väga kitsast 5bet range'i... :S

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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BB: $301.77 (150.9 bb)
MP: $117.63 (58.8 bb)
CO: $232.53 (116.3 bb)
Hero (BTN): $210.25 (105.1 bb)
SB: $204.55 (102.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9 7
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, SB folds, BB raises to $16, Hero raises to $32, BB raises to $52, Hero calls $20

Flop: ($105) 9 2 4 (2 players)
BB bets $36, Hero calls $36

Turn: ($177) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $123, Hero calls $122.25 and is all-in

River: ($421.50) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $421.50 pot ($2.15 rake)
Final Board: 9 2 4 8 6
BB showed Q Q and won $419.35 ($209.10 net)
Hero mucked 9 7 and lost (-$210.25 net)

[muttaja]

Üks huvitav liin, mis vahelduseks ka ära tasus. Riveril peaks ta 2pair+ iga juhul bettima. Kui ma ise betin, siis reale maksan nkn kinni.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
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CO: $208 (104 bb)
BTN: $200 (100 bb)
Hero (SB): $240.46 (120.2 bb)
BB: $253.68 (126.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 9
2 folds, Hero raises to $5, BB calls $3

Flop: ($10) 5 3 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $5, Hero calls $5

Turn: ($20) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $12, Hero raises to $36, BB calls $24

River: ($92) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $207.68 and is all-in, Hero calls $194.46 and is all-in

Results: $480.92 pot ($1.50 rake)
Final Board: 5 3 9 2 7
Hero showed 9 9 and won $479.42 ($238.96 net)
BB showed 3 3 and won $0.00 (-$240.46 net)

[muttaja]

Üks kaheldav fold ka. Vähe võita, palju kaotada. Ega ma shortstack regi range'i eriti ei kartnud. Aga callides oleksin ma regularile deep olles väga mugava mänguruumi andnud.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
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Hero (CO): $404.67 (202.3 bb)
BTN: $737.35 (368.7 bb)
SB: $222.57 (111.3 bb)
BB: $83 (41.5 bb)
UTG+2: $109.20 (54.6 bb)
MP1: $134.41 (67.2 bb)
MP2: $200 (100 bb)
MP3: $229.25 (114.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8 5
3 folds, MP3 raises to $4, Hero calls $4, BTN calls $4, SB folds, BB calls $2

Flop: ($17) 5 8 7 (4 players)
BB checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $12, BTN calls $12, BB raises to $79 and is all-in, 2 folds, BTN calls $67

Turn: ($187) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($187) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $187 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 5 8 7 T T
Hero mucked 8 5 and lost (-$16 net)
BTN showed 7 6 and lost (-$83 net)
BB showed 7 8 and won $184.20 ($101.20 net)
MP3 mucked and lost (-$4 net)

[muttaja]

Fišš mängis mu üle, aga riveril olin ma tubli:

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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UTG: $268.34 (134.2 bb)
MP: $222.53 (111.3 bb)
CO: $497.39 (248.7 bb)
Hero (BTN): $200 (100 bb)
SB: $204 (102 bb)
BB: $80.60 (40.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 7 Q
2 folds, CO raises to $4, Hero calls $4, SB calls $3, BB folds

Flop: ($14) 4 Q 8 (3 players)
SB checks, CO bets $6, Hero calls $6, SB folds

Turn: ($26) 7 (2 players)
CO bets $14, Hero raises to $40, CO raises to $92, Hero raises to $190 and is all-in, CO calls $98

River: ($406) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $406 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 4 Q 8 7 Q
CO showed 8 8 and lost (-$200 net)
Hero showed 7 Q and won $403.20 ($203.20 net)

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Olin ta vastu varem viisakalt foldinud, seepärast ei uskuned teda ka üldse

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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BB: $291.91 (146 bb)
UTG: $200.68 (100.3 bb)
MP: $256.93 (128.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $236.62 (118.3 bb)
BTN: $210.32 (105.2 bb)
SB: $81.70 (40.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J J
UTG folds, MP raises to $4, Hero raises to $16, 3 folds, MP calls $12

Flop: ($35) 7 9 6 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $22, MP raises to $62.93, Hero calls $40.93

Turn: ($160.86) 7 (2 players)
MP bets $178 and is all-in, Hero folds

Results: $160.86 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 7 9 6 7
MP mucked and won $158.06 ($79.13 net)
Hero mucked J J and lost (-$78.93 net)

[muttaja]

Donkbetin nagu donk, a no see regular on oma riveri valuetownimisega veel hullem donk

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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MP: $211.92 (106 bb)
CO: $239.46 (119.7 bb)
BTN: $114.06 (57 bb)
SB: $208 (104 bb)
Hero (BB): $255.64 (127.8 bb)
UTG: $200 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 K
UTG folds, MP raises to $4, 3 folds, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($9) 6 K T (2 players)
Hero bets $6, MP raises to $15, Hero calls $9

Turn: ($39) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $17.80, Hero calls $17.80

River: ($74.60) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $42, Hero raises to $114, MP calls $72

Results: $302.60 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 6 K T 7 8
MP mucked K 7 and lost (-$150.80 net)
Hero showed 9 K and won $299.80 ($149 net)

[muttaja]

Sama regulari stiilinäide

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BB: $245.38 (122.7 bb)
UTG: $174.96 (87.5 bb)
MP: $200 (100 bb)
CO: $92.35 (46.2 bb)
Hero (BTN): $221.53 (110.8 bb)
SB: $199.14 (99.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with T 7
2 folds, CO raises to $5, Hero calls $5, SB folds, BB raises to $16.83, CO folds, Hero calls $11.83

Flop: ($39.66) 6 7 7 (2 players)
BB bets $26.37, Hero raises to $60, BB raises to $228.55 and is all-in, Hero calls $144.70

Turn: ($449.06) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($449.06) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $449.06 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 6 7 7 8 Q
BB showed T T and lost (-$221.53 net)
Hero showed T 7 and won $446.26 ($224.73 net)

[donkament]

mis ta siin postflop valesti tegi??

[muttaja]

Vb väga ei teinudki, samas ega ta nuppe eduseisus sisse ei saa. Teine käsi oli varem kui esimene, oleks võinud järelduse teha, et ma ei bluffi :)

[donkament]

isegi kui sa ei blufi, siis ta teeb mitte shovedes siin vea. Muidugi enamasti on regidel siin ka bluffrange.

[muttaja]

A kui sul näiteks ässad on, siis shoved ka?

[donkament]

jep

[Pyha Karu]

K 7 river valuebet on kah hea, sest open ender ja A gutshotiga missivad ja sul on põhjust bluffcatchida oma enamasti K J/K Q käega.
Või sa mõtlesid, et ta on donk, sest callib su raisei? Olen näinud, et sa oled võimeline rivereid bluffraisima, nii et see ei saa kah nii halb olla.

[muttaja]

Ma mõtlesin jah bet-calli combot, mis kokkuvõttes on üpris halb. Aga eks oma tõetera on sealgi sees, et sellisel laual on riveri betiga raske midagi reppida ja seega võib oodata ch-raise bluffe.

[muttaja]

Täna õhtul olid väga head lauad millegipärast. Aga ise olin natuke väsinud ja tegin vaid 80 minti mängu. teine asi, mis silma jäi: üks SNE reg, kes oli mul ka heaks mängijaks "värvitud", on hakanud shortstackeriks. WTF? Eriti viimaste uuenduste valguses.

[muttaja]

UTG halb nitreg. Ei tahtnud väga kitsa utg range'i vastu 3bettida, kuna foldis ka omajagu. Taga oli tundmatu mängija ja lootus läks täide. Flopile sai küll hästi pihta, aga õnneks ikka pidas vastu

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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Hero (BTN): $452.54 (226.3 bb)
SB: $200 (100 bb)
BB: $187 (93.5 bb)
MP: $200 (100 bb)
CO: $83 (41.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K K
MP raises to $6, CO folds, Hero calls $6, SB folds, BB raises to $20, MP calls $14, Hero raises to $56, BB calls $36, MP folds

Flop: ($133) 9 T J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $396.54 and is all-in, BB calls $131 and is all-in

Turn: ($395.00) J (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($395.00) 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $395.00 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 9 T J J 9
Hero showed K K and won $392.20 ($205.20 net)
BB showed Q A and lost (-$187 net)

[muttaja]

Päeva käsi. Tüübile meeldib kohati slowplayda. Näietks oli 3b potis flushdrawga callinud donkbeti ja turnil masti järele chekkinud. Antud käes ei näinud flopi reraisil erilist valuet. Lucky turn...

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
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BTN: $511.53 (255.8 bb)
Hero (SB): $200 (100 bb)
BB: $203 (101.5 bb)
CO: $399.20 (199.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K K
CO raises to $5, BTN folds, Hero raises to $18, BB folds, CO calls $13

Flop: ($38) T K A (2 players)
Hero bets $18, CO raises to $38, Hero calls $20

Turn: ($114) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($114) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Results: $114 pot ($1.50 rake)
Final Board: T K A Q 8
Hero showed K K and lost (-$56 net)
CO showed A A and won $112.50 ($56.50 net)

[muttaja]

Soliidse equityga sain nupud sisse :)

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
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CO: $270.02 (135 bb)
BTN: $70.58 (35.3 bb)
SB: $223.50 (111.8 bb)
Hero (BB): $200 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8 6
2 folds, SB raises to $4.60, Hero calls $2.60

Flop: ($9.20) 5 4 Q (2 players)
SB bets $5.71, Hero calls $5.71

Turn: ($20.62) 7 (2 players)
SB bets $16, Hero raises to $44, SB raises to $88, Hero raises to $189.69 and is all-in, SB calls $101.69

River: ($400) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $400 pot ($1.50 rake)
Final Board: 5 4 Q 7 T
SB showed 6 3 and lost (-$200 net)
Hero showed 8 6 and won $398.50 ($198.50 net)