[PLO 100-200] muttaja

[muttaja]

Eks ma natuke solvunud olin pärast seda kätt, et sellise mänguga ära hititakse. Ehk see ei saa ju kuidagi hea call olla flopil? Asjaosaline võib ise ka vastata ja kommenteerida, kui juhtub siia sattuma.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $32.86 (16.4 bb)
Hero (SB): $322.06 (161 bb)
BB: $475.52 (237.8 bb)
UTG: $240.20 (120.1 bb)
MP: $233.08 (116.5 bb)
CO: $200 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T T
UTG raises to $6, 2 folds, BTN calls $6, Hero raises to $28, BB folds, UTG calls $22, BTN raises to $32.86 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.86, UTG calls $4.86

Flop: ($100.58) 9 6 9 (3 players, 1 is all-in)
Hero bets $48, UTG calls $48

Turn: ($196.58) Q (3 players, 1 is all-in)
Hero checks, UTG bets $159.34 and is all-in, Hero folds

River: ($196.58) J (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $196.58 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 9 6 9 Q J
BTN showed 6 T and lost (-$32.86 net)
Hero mucked T T and lost (-$80.86 net)
UTG showed A Q and won $193.78 ($112.92 net)

[vapsik]

Lucky tunne oli.

[Pyha Karu]

Päris omapärane näha inimesi, kes saavad pahaseks kui vastased vigu teevad.

[fyte]

Eks ma natuke solvunud olin pärast seda kätt, et sellise mänguga ära hititakse. Ehk see ei saa ju kuidagi hea call olla flopil? Asjaosaline võib ise ka vastata ja kommenteerida, kui juhtub siia sattuma.

hmm, kui sa imestad AQhigh calli sellisel flopil, siis mis su poole potise cbeti idee on? st millised valuekäed UTG ranges jätkavad, mida sa biidid?

[muttaja]

Päris mitu madalamat paari võivad ju jätkata. AQ on lihtsalt maru kehvas seisus minu range vastu, sest ei Q ega A pruugi head olla. Aga mis ma ikka targutan ja omi mõtteid jagan, kuidas minu vastu mängima peaks :P

[muttaja]

Tujutõstja:

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

MP: $200 (100 bb)
CO: $223 (111.5 bb)
BTN: $232.21 (116.1 bb)
SB: $205.78 (102.9 bb)
Hero (BB): $203.32 (101.7 bb)
UTG: $206.57 (103.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q Q
3 folds, BTN calls $2, SB folds, Hero raises to $10, BTN calls $8

Flop: ($21) 2 6 J (2 players)
Hero bets $13, BTN calls $13

Turn: ($47) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $36, BTN calls $36

River: ($119) J (2 players)
Hero bets $144.32 and is all-in, BTN calls $144.32

Results: $407.64 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 2 6 J Q J
BTN showed K K and lost (-$203.32 net)
Hero showed Q Q and won $404.84 ($201.52 net)

[muttaja]

Kui totakas liin võtta, siis karistatakse kohe ära

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $200 (100 bb)
BB: $407.16 (203.6 bb)
Hero (CO): $475.21 (237.6 bb)
BTN: $323.68 (161.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q T
Hero raises to $5, BTN calls $5, 2 folds

Flop: ($13) T 8 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $8.50, Hero calls $8.50

Turn: ($30) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $20.50, Hero calls $20.50

River: ($71) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $50.50, Hero calls $50.50

Results: $172 pot ($1.25 rake)
Final Board: T 8 8 3 Q
Hero mucked Q T and lost (-$84.50 net)
BTN showed 3 3 and won $170.75 ($86.25 net)

[muttaja]

Fišši vastu hästi väljajooksnud käsi:

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $344.36 (172.2 bb)
SB: $224.67 (112.3 bb)
Hero (BB): $201 (100.5 bb)
CO: $235.70 (117.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A A
2 folds, SB raises to $6, Hero raises to $20, SB calls $14

Flop: ($40) 7 8 A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $27, SB raises to $204.67 and is all-in, Hero calls $154 and is all-in

Turn: ($402) Q (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($402) 5 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $402 pot ($1.50 rake)
Final Board: 7 8 A Q 5
SB showed 7 7 and won $0.00 (-$201 net)
Hero showed A A and won $400.50 ($199.50 net)

[HerrJanks]

Miks eelviimases käes liin lollakas on ? :)

Aga riveril tundub mulle kindlasti c/f kui vastane just täiesti aggromonkey pole. Any draw jõudis ka kohale.

[Kotkas1000]

Pluss üks jänksile. Superstandard liin minu puhul. Riveri peab foldima kahjuks jah, kuna biidime ainult õhku.

[Pyha Karu]

Ei, biidib ka valuekäsi A 10, K 10, Q J, K Q

[muttaja]

Naeruväärne regfest see happy hour. Pole mõtet isegi laudu alustada, regid panevad laua insta täis :P

[kala6li]

Endal sama jama, kaks päeva happy houri ajal miinust tootnud

[muttaja]

Võeh, mõlemad sessid aiataha, teise sessiga tuli ka kerge frustratsioon kaasa.

1. KQ sessi alguses

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $230.76 (115.4 bb)
BB: $219.42 (109.7 bb)
UTG: $200 (100 bb)
MP: $213.44 (106.7 bb)
Hero (CO): $209 (104.5 bb)
BTN: $299.50 (149.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K Q
UTG raises to $6, MP folds, Hero calls $6, 3 folds

Flop: ($15) K Q 3 (2 players)
UTG bets $10, Hero raises to $30, UTG raises to $70, Hero raises to $203 and is all-in, UTG calls $124 and is all-in

Turn: ($403) 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($403) 7 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $403 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: K Q 3 9 7
UTG showed T J and won $400.20 ($200.20 net)
Hero showed K Q and lost (-$200 net)

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2. ... Ja KQ sessi lõpus. Frsutratsiooni call.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

MP: $200 (100 bb)
CO: $72.11 (36.1 bb)
BTN: $219.81 (109.9 bb)
SB: $200 (100 bb)
Hero (BB): $229.76 (114.9 bb)
UTG: $281.50 (140.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q K
3 folds, BTN raises to $4, SB folds, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($9) 3 2 K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $6, Hero calls $6

Turn: ($21) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $15, Hero raises to $48, BTN calls $33

River: ($117) A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $75, Hero calls $75

Results: $267 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 3 2 K Q A
BTN showed A A and won $264.20 ($131.20 net)
Hero mucked Q K and lost (-$133 net)


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3. Fišš jooksis kenasti

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $303.20 (151.6 bb)
SB: $205.60 (102.8 bb)
Hero (BB): $237.02 (118.5 bb)
UTG: $239.77 (119.9 bb)
MP: $150.04 (75 bb)
CO: $200 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K J
UTG folds, MP raises to $6, CO folds, BTN calls $6, SB folds, Hero raises to $26, MP calls $20, BTN calls $20

Flop: ($79) Q K 9 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, BTN bets $48, Hero calls $48, MP folds

Turn: ($175) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($175) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $229.20 and is all-in, Hero calls $163.02 and is all-in

Results: $501.04 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: Q K 9 9 T
BTN showed 5 8 and won $498.24 ($261.22 net)
Hero showed K J and lost (-$237.02 net)

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4. Ei osanud muud moodi mängida. Set ja 2 paari oleks muidugi sama liini võtnud

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

MP: $209.16 (104.6 bb)
CO: $325.70 (162.9 bb)
BTN: $200 (100 bb)
SB: $54.01 (27 bb)
Hero (BB): $203 (101.5 bb)
UTG: $200 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K J
2 folds, CO raises to $5, BTN folds, SB calls $4, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($15) J 8 3 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $10, SB calls $10, Hero raises to $38, CO calls $28, SB calls $28

Turn: ($129) 9 (3 players)
SB bets $11.01 and is all-in, Hero raises to $64, CO raises to $282.70 and is all-in, Hero folds

River: ($268.01) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $268.01 pot ($2.15 rake)
Final Board: J 8 3 9 6
CO showed K K and won $265.86 ($158.86 net)
SB showed Q 9 and lost (-$54.01 net)
Hero mucked K J and lost (-$107 net)

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5. Ei olnud mune riveril reraisida, sest keeruline calli saada. Kuigi eks ta 33 ja ühku repi seal ja 33 võiks callida... Tal ei saa ka ühtki kahe paari kombot olla - 43s võiks ainukesena riverisse 2 paari kokku saada, aga seda tal ei saa olla. Eks see käsi oli ka sessi lõpus, kus frustratsioon tuhmistas mõistuse erksust.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $508.50 (254.3 bb)
BB: $68 (34 bb)
Hero (UTG): $257.95 (129 bb)
MP: $131.41 (65.7 bb)
CO: $185.35 (92.7 bb)
BTN: $227.30 (113.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 4 4
Hero raises to $6, MP folds, CO calls $6, BTN calls $6, 2 folds

Flop: ($21) 9 7 K (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($21) 4 (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

River: ($21) 3 (3 players)
Hero bets $15, CO folds, BTN raises to $45, Hero calls $30

Results: $111 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 9 7 K 4 3
Hero showed 4 4 and won $108.20 ($57.20 net)
CO mucked and lost (-$6 net)
BTN showed 3 3 and lost (-$51 net)

[qjet]

4. on küll jubedalt mängitud, c/c flop re-evaluate turn>c/r OTF.
5. käes ma küll ei saa aru, miks sa ei shovenud. BU ranges ei ole ühtegi kätt, mis sind biidib.

[$Lauri$]

5. käes ma küll ei saa aru, miks sa ei shovenud. BU ranges ei ole ühtegi kätt, mis sind biidib.

Oleneb vastastest. Minu vastu mängides võib mul teatud olukordades teatud vastaste vastu seal vabalt 99/KK olla.

[qjet]

no 56 pigem, aga mitte KK/99 95%, aga BU olles betiks ka 56 seda turni, et pot maha saada semibluffiga.

[muttaja]

Ma ju täielikult nõustun, et 5. käsi on väga halb :)

Neljandaga aga ma jällegi ei taha niiväga nõustuda.

[HerrJanks]

Vabandan, kuna lugesin ennem kätt valesti. Vaatasin et hero hoiab JT.

See muudab päris palju asja.

Nagu Pyha Karu ütles, biidib hero mitmeid valuekäsi.

Samuti villain teab, et herol ei ole siin flushi ilmselt mitte kunagi, seega ta bluffing frequency võib päris üles hüpata.

Antud riveril võib ka kindlasti vahest foldida(sõltuvalt vastasest), aga päris tihti on ka ilmselt call, kui just passiivne vend vastas ei ole.

Sellise liini jama on see, et see on suht faceup, sest paljud seda liini ei balanseeri. Suht tihti on siin 1pair/overpair/tp tüüpi käsi või nõrgem. Draw'ga ei mängita suht kunagi nii, samuti harvemini monsteritega. Seega saab vastane väga tihti ja edukalt scare card'e ära kasutada.

[HerrJanks]

4ndas pre squeezida ei taha? Saad päris tihti vb regi välja. Fishi vastu oled nagunii heas seisus. Parem kui OOP regulari vastu palju zetoone taga(asja leevendab küll väike fish vahel).