[PLO 100-200] muttaja

[Kaitz20]

QQ on Q425s boardil ehk c/c turn, c/c river (c/rai if improved).
Kui tal on float, siis ilmselt üritab välja bluffida ning kuna Sul on Qx blocker, siis peale AAd/KKd + veel paari seti ta viletsamate kätega Su 200bb shove (tal vaja callida 120bb) ilmselt all-in ei lähe.

[The_Meer]

probably pole vastasel siin kunagi AA,KK tüüpi käsi, kuna ta flättis kõigepealt CO avangut ja ei backraisinud meid, aga obv ei saa välistada. Seega meie turni võetud liin on suht jama ja nõustun sellega, et craiga foldib ta põhimõteliselt kõik, mis pole set või flush. Ma betiks turni uuesti, et saada endiselt calli mingilt stubborn Qx, või ala mingilt pocketilt ruutuga või mingilt wierd Axd or smt(mis iganes võib potcontrollida turni), kusjuures meie turni barreldamisranges võib väga palju Axd tüüpi käsi olla.

[muttaja]

Vanad võlad. Oktoober pika aja miinuskuu. November aga karjääri parim kuu vist. Mänguaega leidsin mõlemas vähe. Dets lõpus vaja kõvasti grindida, et 300k vpp-d ikka kätte saaks. Hetkel 23k puudu, niiet ei tahaks sellest boonusest ilma jääda.

Oktoober:


November:

[MartinGarcia]

Superb !

[HerrJanks]

Liigud FR'i üle või mängid 6maxi ka ikka? :)

[muttaja]

Liigud FR'i üle või mängid 6maxi ka ikka? :)

Istun iga laua äärde, kus kala pakutakse :)
Tegelt fullringi tulemused on väga head, aga kardan, et kui 6-maxist loobuksin, siis ei suudaks fullringi ka nii hästi mängida.

[HerrJanks]

Miks sa nii arvad?

[muttaja]

Miks sa nii arvad?

Aint fullringi kaoks shorthanded tunnetus ära ja laudu alustades, kus on kõige paremad vastased, ei oleks enam nii terav. Vast individuaalne, aga mul ikka 6maxi madinat vaja, et agressiivne lähenemine säiliks. Näiteks täna oli ka vahepeal üle poole laudadest fullring ja 2 kohas jäi vast value võtmata riveril.

Fullring kenasti suts üle 10bb/100 sel aastal (vaid 48k kätt siiski). Tõsi, eks ma ole ka üle EV jooksnud :P

Üks vastik call ka, kus vastane bluffib väga harva ja mul raske midagi biitida, a foldida ikka ei suuda:

Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

MP3: $757.60 (189.4 bb)
CO: $423.70 (105.9 bb)
BTN: $400 (100 bb)
SB: $650.25 (162.6 bb)
BB: $325.40 (81.4 bb)
UTG+1: $416.65 (104.2 bb)
UTG+2: $407.19 (101.8 bb)
MP1: $326.65 (81.7 bb)
Hero (MP2): $404.74 (101.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 7 7
UTG+1 raises to $12, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $12, Hero calls $12, 3 folds, SB calls $10, BB calls $8

Flop: ($60) 8 7 A (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $40, MP1 folds, Hero calls $40, 2 folds

Turn: ($140) 6 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

River: ($140) 8 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $100, Hero calls $100

Results: $340 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 8 7 A 6 8
UTG+1 showed A A and won $337.20 ($185.20 net)
Hero mucked 7 7 and lost (-$152 net)

[muttaja]

1.) Hehe, shortstacker. Ei tahtnud preflop 3bettida maru kitsa range vastu. Kui 3betin, siis peaks ka stäkkima ja see pole meeldiv.

Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
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Hero (BB): $400 (100 bb)
UTG+2: $220.28 (55.1 bb)
MP1: $239.29 (59.8 bb)
MP2: $238.05 (59.5 bb)
MP3: $400 (100 bb)
CO: $543.41 (135.9 bb)
BTN: $785.05 (196.3 bb)
SB: $258.72 (64.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A K
UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to $10, 5 folds, Hero calls $6

Flop: ($22) 2 2 A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $13.87, Hero raises to $32, MP1 calls $18.13

Turn: ($86) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $14, MP1 calls $14

River: ($114) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $344 and is all-in, MP1 calls $183.29 and is all-in

Results: $480.58 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 2 2 A 5 6
Hero showed A K and won $477.78 ($238.49 net)
MP1 mucked A T and lost (-$239.29 net)

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2.) Keegi uus regular ses limiidis. Üritas igast asendist mulle midagi tõestada. SB pealt avas väga laialt.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 3 Players
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BTN: $73 (36.5 bb)
SB: $206.64 (103.3 bb)
Hero (BB): $200 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J K
BTN folds, SB raises to $6, Hero raises to $16, SB raises to $36, Hero calls $20

Flop: ($72) 2 K 7 (2 players)
SB bets $18, Hero raises to $164 and is all-in, SB calls $146

Turn: ($400) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($400) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $400 pot ($1.25 rake)
Final Board: 2 K 7 4 5
SB showed 9 9 and lost (-$200 net)
Hero showed J K and won $398.75 ($198.75 net)

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3.) BB peal fishreg.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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BB: $190 (95 bb)
UTG: $302.45 (151.2 bb)
MP: $77 (38.5 bb)
CO: $74.75 (37.4 bb)
BTN: $200 (100 bb)
Hero (SB): $203.36 (101.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A A
UTG raises to $4.12, 3 folds, Hero calls $3.12, BB raises to $26, UTG folds, Hero raises to $56, BB calls $30

Flop: ($116.12) 3 J 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $36, BB calls $36

Turn: ($188.12) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $111.36 and is all-in, BB calls $98 and is all-in

River: ($384.12) 8 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $384.12 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 3 J 6 9 8
BB showed J K and lost (-$190 net)
Hero showed A A and won $381.32 ($191.32 net)

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4.) Ega kõik ikka ei õnnestunud ka:

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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SB: $200.21 (100.1 bb)
BB: $151 (75.5 bb)
Hero (MP): $246.20 (123.1 bb)
CO: $361.93 (181 bb)
BTN: $200 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 7 7
Hero raises to $6, 3 folds, BB raises to $12, Hero calls $6

Flop: ($25) 2 2 4 (2 players)
BB bets $12, Hero raises to $32, BB raises to $139 and is all-in, Hero calls $107

Turn: ($303) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($303) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $303 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 2 2 4 9 9
BB showed T T and won $300.20 ($149.20 net)
Hero showed 7 7 and lost (-$151 net)

[muttaja]

Pea nädal pausi ja oi-oi, mis lollustega hakkama sain.

1.) Taga oli väga priske vaal ja arvasin, et tugevaid käsi reg ei mängiks nii agressiivselt. Ei mõelnud sel hetkel kõige selgemalt...

Poker Stars, $1/$2, $0.40 ante No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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MP: $302.46 (151.2 bb)
CO: $623.49 (311.7 bb)
BTN: $528.42 (264.2 bb)
SB: $216.14 (108.1 bb)
Hero (BB): $500 (250 bb)
UTG: $876.62 (438.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 5
UTG folds, MP raises to $7.92, CO folds, BTN calls $7.92, SB folds, Hero calls $5.92

Flop: ($27.16) 8 5 6 (3 players)
Hero bets $22, MP raises to $53, BTN folds, Hero raises to $491.68 and is all-in, MP calls $241.14 and is all-in

Turn: ($615.44) 7 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($615.44) A (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $615.44 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 8 5 6 7 A
MP showed 8 8 and won $612.64 ($310.18 net)
BTN mucked and lost (-$8.32 net)
Hero showed 6 5 and lost (-$302.46 net)

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2.) Ka ei suutnud mõelda head sizingut välja; samas seti/2pairiga panen enamasti ka umbes sellise sizinguga, et vastasele jääks mulje, et commitin end draw-ga. Järele checkimine on tegelt täitsa variant.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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BB: $270.50 (135.3 bb)
UTG: $233.76 (116.9 bb)
MP: $269.83 (134.9 bb)
Hero (CO): $290.27 (145.1 bb)
BTN: $200 (100 bb)
SB: $200 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6 8
2 folds, Hero raises to $5, 2 folds, BB raises to $18, Hero calls $13

Flop: ($37) 4 5 A (2 players)
BB bets $20, Hero raises to $40, BB calls $20

Turn: ($117) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $86, BB raises to $212.50 and is all-in, Hero calls $126.50

River: ($542) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $542 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 4 5 A 2 9
BB showed A Q and won $539.20 ($268.70 net)
Hero showed 6 8 and lost (-$270.50 net)

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3. Suht lightlilt võetakse valuet ja ma muidugi suudan maksta. Mul seal 2pair combosid ikka omajagu...

Poker Stars, $3/$6 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
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MP1: $639 (106.5 bb)
MP2: $890.91 (148.5 bb)
MP3: $358.18 (59.7 bb)
CO: $771.20 (128.5 bb)
BTN: $312 (52 bb)
SB: $1,487.30 (247.9 bb)
Hero (BB): $1,178.82 (196.5 bb)
UTG+2: $368.42 (61.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J K
5 folds, BTN raises to $15, SB folds, Hero calls $9

Flop: ($33) 4 K Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $18, Hero calls $18

Turn: ($69) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $48, Hero calls $48

River: ($165) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $108, Hero calls $108

Results: $381 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 4 K Q 6 T
BTN showed A K and won $378.20 ($189.20 net)
Hero mucked J K and lost (-$189 net)

[Dnbftw]

Esimene ja teine käsi sama HH.

[muttaja]

Täna mäng juba natuke parem kui üks flopi 3bet bluff, turni shove no-equity käega fišši vastu välja jätta... Järgneva käega jäin rahule :)

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
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BB: $222.10 (111.1 bb)
Hero (CO): $200.46 (100.2 bb)
BTN: $211 (105.5 bb)
SB: $204.60 (102.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A A
Hero raises to $5, BTN calls $5, SB raises to $24, BB folds, Hero calls $19, BTN calls $19

Flop: ($74) J 9 3 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $26, BTN folds, SB raises to $180.60 and is all-in, Hero calls $150.46 and is all-in

Turn: ($426.92) A (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($426.92) 5 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $426.92 pot ($1.50 rake)
Final Board: J 9 3 A 5
Hero showed A A and won $425.42 ($224.96 net)
BTN mucked and lost (-$24 net)
SB showed Q A and won $0.00 (-$200.46 net)

[muttaja]

See käsi aitas suure miinuse ära hoida:

Poker Stars, $3/$6 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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MP: $1,243.20 (207.2 bb)
CO: $1,179.78 (196.6 bb)
BTN: $734.63 (122.4 bb)
Hero (SB): $639.39 (106.6 bb)
BB: $2,710.56 (451.8 bb)
UTG: $600 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T T
UTG raises to $15, 2 folds, BTN calls $15, Hero raises to $78, 2 folds, BTN calls $63

Flop: ($177) 8 J 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $656.63 and is all-in, Hero calls $561.39 and is all-in

Turn: ($1,299.78) K (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($1,299.78) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $1,299.78 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 8 J 9 K 6
BTN showed 9 7 and lost (-$639.39 net)
Hero showed T T and won $1,296.98 ($657.59 net)

[muttaja]

1.)Võeh, esimene käsi lauas. Samas ülejäänud 1400 käe kohta ei kaotanud kordai rohkem kui 50BB. Ja kokkuvõttes siis ka edukas sess.

Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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MP: $400 (100 bb)
CO: $447.02 (111.8 bb)
BTN: $517.71 (129.4 bb)
Hero (SB): $400 (100 bb)
BB: $835.88 (209 bb)
UTG: $406 (101.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 9
UTG folds, MP raises to $12, CO calls $12, BTN calls $12, Hero raises to $56, 3 folds, BTN calls $44

Flop: ($140) 9 A A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($140) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($140) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $84, BTN raises to $256, Hero raises to $344 and is all-in, BTN calls $88

Results: $828 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 9 A A T 7
BTN showed T T and won $825.20 ($425.20 net)
Hero showed 9 9 and lost (-$400 net)

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2. "pohh yolo"

Poker Stars, $3/$6 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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Hero (SB): $646.24 (107.7 bb)
BB: $624.20 (104 bb)
MP: $452.67 (75.4 bb)
CO: $625.24 (104.2 bb)
BTN: $1,676.88 (279.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6 6
MP raises to $18, 2 folds, Hero calls $15, BB folds

Flop: ($42) 6 J T (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $24, Hero raises to $66, MP calls $42

Turn: ($174) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $132, MP calls $132

River: ($438) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $430.24 and is all-in, MP calls $236.67

Results: $911.34 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 6 J T 8 Q
Hero showed 6 6 and won $908.54 ($455.87 net)
MP showed A Q and lost (-$452.67 net)

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3. Eilsest üks kena hitt ka. Regulari call A4-ga wtf?

Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $198 (99 bb)
BB: $200 (100 bb)
UTG: $257.75 (128.9 bb)
MP: $273.60 (136.8 bb)
CO: $295.72 (147.9 bb)
Hero (BTN): $291.57 (145.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 7 5
UTG folds, MP calls $2, CO raises to $10, Hero calls $10, 2 folds, MP calls $8

Flop: ($33) A 3 4 (3 players)
MP checks, CO bets $30, Hero calls $30, MP calls $30

Turn: ($123) J (3 players)
MP checks, CO bets $100, Hero raises to $251.57 and is all-in, MP calls $233.60 and is all-in, CO calls $151.57

River: ($859.74) 2 (3 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $859.74 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: A 3 4 J 2
MP showed A J and lost (-$273.60 net)
CO showed 4 A and lost (-$291.57 net)
Hero showed 7 5 and won $856.94 ($565.37 net)

[muttaja]

Passiivse fišši vastu agressiivne liin

Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $409.67 (102.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $538.84 (134.7 bb)
UTG: $425.85 (106.5 bb)
MP: $513.74 (128.4 bb)
CO: $396 (99 bb)
BTN: $410.65 (102.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8 8
UTG raises to $14, MP calls $14, 2 folds, SB calls $12, Hero calls $10

Flop: ($56) 8 A 2 (4 players)
SB bets $28, Hero raises to $76, 2 folds, SB calls $48

Turn: ($208) T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $140, SB calls $140

River: ($488) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $308.84, SB calls $179.67

Results: $847.34 pot ($2.15 rake)
Final Board: 8 A 2 T 5
SB showed A K and lost (-$409.67 net)
Hero showed 8 8 and won $845.19 ($435.52 net)

[timz0333]

Miks 4 way potis raised nii kuiva floppi?

[muttaja]

Ega see ei olegi standard. Tunne oli selline, et fiššile on tugev käsi ja saab stäkkidele mängida. Samas ta oli väga passiivne, niiet kartsin, kui flopil ei hakka ehitama, võin valuet kaotada. Vaevalt ka regularid hakkavad 4way väga bluffima, samas näiteks 2 paaritl saan ikka valuet.

[Majandaja]

Tekkis sama küsimus, mis Timzil. Ei karda turnil ühtegi kaarti ja riveriks saame rahad anyway sisse ju ilma ühegi tänava raisemata. Võimalik saada kummaltki teiselt mängijalt ka 1-2 tänavat valuet, kes hetkel flopil alla andsid peale donkbeti ja raise. Kui SB turni checkib, siis saad ise ülejäänud 2 tänavat barreldada.

[muttaja]

Tekkis sama küsimus, mis Timzil. Ei karda turnil ühtegi kaarti ja riveriks saame rahad anyway sisse ju ilma ühegi tänava raisemata. Võimalik saada kummaltki teiselt mängijalt ka 1-2 tänavat valuet, kes hetkel flopil alla andsid peale donkbeti ja raise. Kui SB turni checkib, siis saad ise ülejäänud 2 tänavat barreldada.

Siin supis on ikka rohkem komponente. Kas siis, kui ma nö ühtegi kaarti ei karda, ei tasugi tõsta? Mida regularid minu range'ist arvavad, kui ma seal tõstan (kus justkui "ei tohi" tõsta)? Kui suure tõenäosusega 4way flopil bluffitakse, st kas ma saan regularitelt mõne beti, kui neil midagi ei ole? Kas see võimalus kaalub üles võimaluse, et kaotan fišši vastu valuet? Aga otseloomulikult ei ole mu mäng siin balansseeritu, ja seetõttu teengi selliseid lükkeid väga harva ja just seetõttu käe siia postitasingi :)

[qjet]

75s pigem ei meeldi sinu shove seal, CO tulistab 2nd barrelit tugevalt vs 2 players ja sa shoved seal drawga lootes FE'd? raise juba flop siis, aga turn on küll awful