[PLO 100-200] muttaja

[muttaja]

Üks käsi, kus oleks pidanud riveril foldima

Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
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SB: $542.02 (135.5 bb)
BB: $248.81 (62.2 bb)
Hero (CO): $424.56 (106.1 bb)
BTN: $400 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 J
Hero raises to $10, BTN folds, SB raises to $30, BB folds, Hero calls $20

Flop: ($64) 5 T 2 (2 players)
SB bets $35.87, Hero calls $35.87

Turn: ($135.74) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $33, SB calls $33

River: ($201.74) 8 (2 players)
SB bets $116.13, Hero calls $116.13

Results: $434 pot ($1.50 rake)
Final Board: 5 T 2 9 8
SB showed Q J and won $432.50 ($217.50 net)
Hero mucked 9 J and lost (-$215 net)

[timz0333]

See turni bet sitalt sized ei ole sinu range vs hes range?

[Kotkas1000]

Kas ck parem ei ole turnis? Või mis plaan ck-raise AI korral on?

[muttaja]

Kas ck parem ei ole turnis? Või mis plaan ck-raise AI korral on?

Väikse beti mõte ongi vastase mänguplaani mõra lüüa - olgu tal plaanis kas ck-fold või ck-raise. Tagantjärele vaadates töötas, aint riv oleks pidand olema insta fold.

[muttaja]

See turni bet sitalt sized ei ole sinu range vs hes range?

Kõik oleneb ju beti eesmärkidest :)

[Kotkas1000]

Mis mõra sa talle lõid? Vastane mängis korrektselt ju. Ma lihtsalt mõtlen, et annad talle enam vähem oddsid isegi AQ, AK callimiseks.
Ps: ma ei laida midagi, respect su mängule. Lihtsalt püüan mõista :)

[timz0333]

Mis mõra sa talle lõid? Vastane mängis korrektselt ju. Ma lihtsalt mõtlen, et annad talle enam vähem oddsid isegi AQ, AK callimiseks.

Ma mõtlen täpselt sama asja :)

[RudiTurbo]

Kas ck parem ei ole turnis? Või mis plaan ck-raise AI korral on?

Aga checki korral on oddsid ju veel paremad?

[muttaja]

Mis mõra sa talle lõid? Vastane mängis korrektselt ju. Ma lihtsalt mõtlen, et annad talle enam vähem oddsid isegi AQ, AK callimiseks.
Ps: ma ei laida midagi, respect su mängule. Lihtsalt püüan mõista :)

Ma ei usu, et vastasel oli plaan ch-callida, aga kuna mu panus oli "liiga väike", siis ei olnud cr-raise AI enam mõistlik. Sain odavalt initsiatiivi haarata ja ise edasist mängu dikteerima asuda. Muidugi peab sellistes kohtades olema mäng balansseeritud - näiteks vahel tuleb seda õhuga teha ning calli korral blank riveril veel miski kolmandik panna, vahel tuleb setti samamoodi mängida jne. Mind muideks absoluuselt ei morjenda see, et ta saab oddsid ülekaartidega callimiseks, pigem olen ma väga rõõmus selle üle.

[HerrJanks]

Ma ei usu, et vastasel oli plaan ch-callida, aga kuna mu panus oli "liiga väike", siis ei olnud cr-raise AI enam mõistlik. Sain odavalt initsiatiivi haarata ja ise edasist mängu dikteerima asuda. Muidugi peab sellistes kohtades olema mäng balansseeritud - näiteks vahel tuleb seda õhuga teha ning calli korral blank riveril veel miski kolmandik panna, vahel tuleb setti samamoodi mängida jne. Mind muideks absoluuselt ei morjenda see, et ta saab oddsid ülekaartidega callimiseks, pigem olen ma väga rõõmus selle üle.

Väga hästi öeldud

[Kotkas1000]

Ty hea seletuse eest.

[timz0333]

;=)

[muttaja]

Suht BE päev, kuigi mängu kokku ca 6h. Pühapäeval peab ikka rügama :)

1. Väike fish, mängisin laua alustamiseks HUd

Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
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BB: $176 (44 bb)
Hero (SB): $423 (105.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A A
Hero raises to $8, BB calls $4

Flop: ($16) 3 5 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8, BB raises to $32, Hero calls $24

Turn: ($80) 2 (2 players)
BB bets $60, Hero raises to $228, BB calls $76 and is all-in

River: ($352) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $352 pot ($0.50 rake)
Final Board: 3 5 5 2 9
BB showed 4 6 and won $351.50 ($175.50 net)
Hero showed A A and lost (-$176 net)

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2. Ja siis fish liitubki ja annan kohe talle ka

Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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MP: $349.50 (87.4 bb)
CO: $174.50 (43.6 bb)
BTN: $327.10 (81.8 bb)
SB: $400 (100 bb)
Hero (BB): $400 (100 bb)
UTG: $160 (40 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8 6
UTG posts BB OOP, UTG checks, MP raises to $12, CO folds, BTN calls $12, SB folds, Hero calls $8, UTG folds

Flop: ($42) J K Q (3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $32, BTN calls $32, Hero calls $32

Turn: ($138) 6 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, BTN bets $36, Hero calls $36, MP folds

River: ($210) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $124, BTN raises to $247.10 and is all-in, Hero calls $123.10

Results: $704.20 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: J K Q 6 9
BTN showed A T and won $701.40 ($374.30 net)
Hero showed 8 6 and lost (-$327.10 net)

[muttaja]

Hakkasin täna väga hea tundega mängima. Paraku ei tulnud käed koju ja seetõttu tegin ka mõne blufi, mis muidu oleks tegemata jäänud. Obv ei töötanud bluffid :). Samalaadsetes situatsioonides valuebetid ka ei töötanud - nagu ikka kehva jooksu korral.

1. Mõttetu BE reg, aga eks lahe ole ka vahel 4bette coolerdamise eesmärgil flättida. Vbla võitmine polegi eesmärk.

Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $449.03 (112.3 bb)
BB: $408.99 (102.2 bb)
UTG: $300.97 (75.2 bb)
MP: $490.47 (122.6 bb)
Hero (CO): $479.20 (119.8 bb)
BTN: $400 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K K
2 folds, Hero raises to $10, BTN raises to $32, 2 folds, Hero raises to $72, BTN calls $40

Flop: ($150) 7 9 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $67, Hero raises to $407.20 and is all-in, BTN calls $261 and is all-in

Turn: ($806) T (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($806) 2 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $806 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 7 9 6 T 2
Hero showed K K and won $0.00 (-$400 net)
BTN showed 6 6 and won $803.20 ($403.20 net)

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2. Kenasti jooksis laud välja.

Poker Stars, $3/$6 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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CO: $998.81 (166.5 bb)
BTN: $594.22 (99 bb)
SB: $755.38 (125.9 bb)
Hero (BB): $600 (100 bb)
UTG: $1,065.36 (177.6 bb)
MP: $733.64 (122.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7 2
4 folds, SB raises to $15, Hero calls $9

Flop: ($30) 9 K J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $18, SB calls $18

Turn: ($66) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $42, SB calls $42

River: ($150) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $114, SB raises to $286.60, Hero calls $172.60

Results: $723.20 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 9 K J K 6
SB showed K 9 and won $720.40 ($358.80 net)
Hero mucked 7 2 and lost (-$361.60 net)

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3. Hitin lõpuks fišši vastu ja.... oppaa

Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
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MP3: $421.09 (105.3 bb)
CO: $400 (100 bb)
BTN: $166 (41.5 bb)
SB: $359.06 (89.8 bb)
BB: $408.16 (102 bb)
UTG+2: $851.72 (212.9 bb)
MP1: $487.47 (121.9 bb)
Hero (MP2): $400 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T T
2 folds, Hero raises to $12, 3 folds, SB raises to $36, BB folds, Hero calls $24

Flop: ($76) 4 Q T (2 players)
SB bets $48, Hero raises to $112, SB calls $64

Turn: ($300) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $252 and is all-in, SB calls $211.06 and is all-in

River: ($722.12) 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $722.12 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 4 Q T 6 9
SB showed Q Q and won $719.32 ($360.26 net)
Hero showed T T and lost (-$359.06 net)

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4.

Poker Stars, $3/$6 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
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MP1: $610.78 (101.8 bb)
MP2: $249 (41.5 bb)
MP3: $268.21 (44.7 bb)
CO: $1,069.98 (178.3 bb)
Hero (BTN): $600 (100 bb)
SB: $750.60 (125.1 bb)
BB: $600 (100 bb)
UTG+1: $624.20 (104 bb)
UTG+2: $485.52 (80.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A A
4 folds, MP3 calls $6, CO folds, Hero raises to $18, 2 folds, MP3 raises to $48, Hero raises to $102, MP3 calls $54

Flop: ($213) 3 4 7 (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $42, MP3 raises to $166.21, Hero calls $124.21

Turn: ($545.42) A (2 players)
River: ($545.42) 2 (2 players)

Results: $545.42 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 3 4 7 A 2
MP3 showed 5 4 and won $542.62 ($274.41 net)
Hero showed A A and lost (-$268.21 net)

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5. See käsi oleks võind küll koju tulla. SB peal fish, niiet mu donkamise range võiks viisakas olla.

Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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MP: $400 (100 bb)
CO: $484.07 (121 bb)
BTN: $414 (103.5 bb)
SB: $441.71 (110.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $472.90 (118.2 bb)
UTG: $451.41 (112.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J 7
3 folds, BTN raises to $8, SB calls $6, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($24) T 5 4 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $16, BTN calls $16, SB folds

Turn: ($56) T (2 players)
Hero bets $40, BTN calls $40

River: ($136) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $114, BTN calls $114

Results: $364 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: T 5 4 T 2
BTN showed T 8 and won $361.20 ($183.20 net)
Hero showed J 7 and lost (-$178 net)

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6. Ja see samuti. Aga täna polnud selline päev.

Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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BTN: $483.72 (120.9 bb)
SB: $665.48 (166.4 bb)
BB: $406 (101.5 bb)
MP: $409.19 (102.3 bb)
Hero (CO): $1,157.34 (289.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 2 2
MP folds, Hero calls $4, 2 folds, BB raises to $14, Hero calls $10

Flop: ($30) 5 3 4 (2 players)
BB bets $20, Hero raises to $60, BB calls $40

Turn: ($150) 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $104, BB raises to $332 and is all-in, Hero folds

Results: $358 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 5 3 4 9
BB mucked and won $355.20 ($177.20 net)
Hero mucked 2 2 and lost (-$178 net)

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7. Üldjuhul ei ch-raise sellist kätt turnil regulari vastu, sest suht raske balansseerida. Oli natuke tildine vast.

Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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Hero (SB): $465.60 (116.4 bb)
BB: $401.42 (100.4 bb)
MP: $944.18 (236 bb)
CO: $421.84 (105.5 bb)
BTN: $715.30 (178.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6 6
MP raises to $8, CO folds, BTN calls $8, Hero calls $6, BB calls $4

Flop: ($32) Q Q 6 (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP checks, BTN bets $20, Hero calls $20, 2 folds

Turn: ($72) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $48, Hero raises to $128, BTN calls $80

River: ($328) A (2 players)
Hero bets $309.60 and is all-in, BTN calls $309.60

Results: $947.20 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: Q Q 6 8 A
Hero showed 6 6 and won $944.40 ($478.80 net)
BTN mucked Q K and lost (-$465.60 net)

[muttaja]

Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players
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CO: $163.09 (40.8 bb)
BTN: $451.90 (113 bb)
Hero (SB): $799.09 (199.8 bb)
BB: $965.07 (241.3 bb)
MP1: $194 (48.5 bb)
MP2: $409.19 (102.3 bb)
MP3: $418 (104.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q J
MP1 folds, MP2 raises to $8, 3 folds, Hero raises to $36, BB folds, MP2 calls $28

Flop: ($76) A 7 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $36, MP2 calls $36

Turn: ($148) K (2 players)
Hero bets $72, MP2 calls $72

River: ($292) T (2 players)
Hero bets $655.09 and is all-in, MP2 calls $265.19 and is all-in

Results: $822.38 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: A 7 7 K T
Hero showed Q J and won $819.58 ($410.39 net)
MP2 showed K A and lost (-$409.19 net)

[Ints]

mis plangu riveri puhul teinud oleksid.

[muttaja]

shovenud obv

Seepärast postitasingi, et vastasel oli read paigas ja oleks talle 9/10 kaotanud, aga hittisin ainsa imelise kaardi.

[Fortune]

mis riidi tal ikka nii väga vaja läks siin, ta ei foldi ühtegi riverit, sest teda biidib ainult 1 kombo AA ja 1 kombo KK

edit: okei 1-2 flushi kombot ka ilmselt, kuna sa juba QJs 3bettisid, aga 7seid vaevalt su 3bettimis ranges on.

[HerrJanks]

mis riidi tal ikka nii väga vaja läks siin, ta ei foldi ühtegi riverit, sest teda biidib ainult 1 kombo AA ja 1 kombo KK

edit: okei 1-2 flushi kombot ka ilmselt, kuna sa juba QJs 3bettisid, aga 7seid vaevalt su 3bettimis ranges on.

No eks ta peab ikka hero bluffing frequentsit ka arvestama. Kui see riveril suht nullilähedane on, siis võib vabalt fold river olla oma AK'ga - kuigi seda on väga raske teha. Ma ei väida et herol on nii madal aga siiski, tasub kaalumist - mitte kinnisilmi callida päris.

Aga kindlasti ma ei ole nõus et seal nii vähe combosid on, mis teda biidivad. Neid 7meid võib seal terve posu olla ja flushe ka - oleneb jälle kui polariseeritud hero 3bet range on. Kui ei ole polariseeritud, siis tundub rangele panek palju lihtsam jah aga me oleme kõik näinud kuidas muttaja 63o'ga 3betib

[muttaja]

Freeroll ei tuld ära

Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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UTG: $468.30 (117.1 bb)
MP: $268.83 (67.2 bb)
CO: $400 (100 bb)
BTN: $402.60 (100.7 bb)
Hero (SB): $639.42 (159.9 bb)
BB: $400 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q K
UTG raises to $10, MP calls $10, 2 folds, Hero calls $8, BB calls $6

Flop: ($40) 9 5 J (4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $24.83, UTG calls $24.83, MP calls $24.83, Hero raises to $629.42 and is all-in, 2 folds, MP calls $234 and is all-in

Turn: ($607.32) 3 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($607.32) 5 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $607.32 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 9 5 J 3 5
UTG mucked and lost (-$34.83 net)
MP showed K Q and won $302.26 ($33.43 net)
Hero showed Q K and won $302.26 ($33.43 net)
BB mucked and lost (-$34.83 net)